GeorgeBenson
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Ok thanks thats a good rule to go by.
I get the btms-50 from lotioncrafter but im not sure who the manufacturer is. And the formulation guidelines on lotioncrafter for that particular ingredient are rather sparse. -
I’ve never done it with distillates alone but i would think that yes, they can, although you’ll probably need a much higher % of them. I am about to do this soon in a new formula and my only concern is how long the smell will last before degrading.
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Do any of the replacers sell liquid pearlisers like Euperlan?
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@aliciavr6 the type of product you want to make, a creamy body wash, is the only type of formula so far that I have just not been able to successfully make despite my many attempts.
I can do it with a suspending agent like acrylates copolymer, but without that it is separation city every time. If not at room temperature than definitely once it is in the incubator. So i eventually gave up, or rather i settled for using aqua sf-1.i would really like to make a creamy body wash. If you ever figure it out, or if any one else here has a basic but stable formula i could go off of please let me know.
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Abdullah said:Unfortunately i don’t have experience with oatmeal.
If you want to make a product that is more effective than top products in the market, you cant make it.
Your goal should be first how to make an emulsion and then how to provide a benefit from it.Phenoxyethanol+ IPBC+ EDTA + pH 4-4.5
or phenoxyethanol+ parabens +EDTA+ pH 4-4.5I would disagree. I am by no means an expert in this field but i’ve been experimenting long enough to where i routinely make stuff that is more effective than some top products on the market. Sometimes the top products aren’t the best, and they may have to make sacrifices for cost or other reasons that you do not if you’re just making stuff for yourself as a hobby. Keep experimenting and your formula will get better and better!
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@Abdullah interesting points, for some reason i always assumed SLS and SLES could solubilize just about anything, good to know ampthoterics and non ionics are just as good if not better. Maybe i just choose strange and difficult to solubilize fragrances. I will keep experimenting…
This is for shampoos, body washes and cleansers. Usually just fragrance oils or essential oils at 0.2-0.6%. -
@MariaSibon awesome, thanks!
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@RDchemist15 Often times the solubilizers will kill my viscosity, which in sulfate-free formulas is precious, especially when you have been restricted against using PEG thickeners like I have. So that is why I try to let the surfactants do the work of solubilizing whenever I can. I am not at the level where I have a fragrance house willing to make water-soluble fragrances for me. How nice that would be!
@MarkBroussard @Paprik thank you for the suggestions, I have some of those on hand and will give them a shot with these new fragrance oils I’m working with.
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@grapefruit22 i want to believe it…but if this is true that you can make an emulsion with bacteria why isn’t this the most revolutionary discovery in cosmetics right now? Shouldn’t this be a bigger deal? I mean that’s a pretty gigantic discovery, isnt it?
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@Graillotion so what you’re saying is… God forbid my cat accidentally knocks over a bag of Montanov 202 into a jug of oil when I’m not looking…I may have the next innovative face cream invention?!?
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Well looking into the symbiome product more it seems that they are claiming that this lactobacillus ferment probiotic is somehow on its own both emulsifying and preserving the product. I’ve never heard of such a thing before…Bioemulsifiers? Pretty interesting stuff if true…
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That’s strange…i would also like to know how they did that. If they are just omitting the emulsifier from their LOI that’s pretty risky for them, no?
on a similar note, and not to hijack your thread, i would like to know how this company made this product:
https://pachasoap.com/products/coconut-papaya
It’s a more complicated LOI than the one linked to above and I’m guessing it’s entirely possible to do it with the ingredients listed but my formulation skills are just not advanced enough to understand how…they are able to mix oil and water with no emulsifier and seemingly not enough of the right surfactant to do the job.
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@MarkBroussard what was the outcome of that lawsuit? What is even the claim in lawsuits like this…do they claim that the product was contaminated, that it was made with unsafe ingredients, undisclosed ingredients, or what? How common are lawsuits like this against cosmetic companies any way?
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I used distilled water. it’s quite possible, even likely, that it came into contact with metal when making it but i dont remember. I was not aware of that issue before now. Next time i will make sure it doesnt. Thanks for the tips!
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@MariaGarcia interesting, so what can i do to prevent this? I suppose i could just make it as i need it and use it all up every time or discard the rest, but that is not ideal. There must be some way to store it without this happening…maybe i could use an airless bottle.
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Thanks, I’ll make it in glass next time.
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If you have to use it then yes, using less may help with that, but it also probably wont clean or foam as much. Maybe try adding some Cocamidopropyl Betaine as well.
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Also you may want to start closer to 30% surfactants, unless you mean % solids, but im guessing you dont.
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I tried using plantapon sf in a shampoo and did not like it, it was harsh and/or drying if i remember correctly, not pleasant. None of the surfactant blends i tried worked for me in a shampoo. Not saying they dont exist (if they do please tell) but for me i have most success combining individual surfactants to my liking.
btw 1% is A LOT of essential oil!
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great, I was thinking maybe .75% Lincoserve and .75% Phenoxyethanol.
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Indeed, Lotioncrafter and MakingCosmetics both say to keep it around 6. I’m glad to know I am free to formulate my ph down low where I want it. Someone should probably notify them of this error….I would tell them but not sure they’d take my word for it ????
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@Paprik does terrasodium glutamate diacetate have any incompatibilities with other ingredients that you know of?
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@MarkBroussard great, thanks! Would it be alright to swap phytic acid for GLDA?
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MarkBroussard said:Squinny said:
Hi Mark can you advise what % of each of PE9010 + Sodium Phytate + Sodium Benzoate you would recommmend? Many thanks
@Squinny: For a water-based serum: PE9010 (1%) + Sodium Benzoate (0.35%) + Pentylene Glycol (2%) + Phytic Acid (0.2%); pH = 4.6 to 4.8
If you’re working with an emulsion: PE9010 (1%) + Sodium Benzoate (0.35%) + Pentylene Glycol (2%) + Phytic Acid (0.2%) + Caprylyl Glycol (0.3%); pH = 4.6 to 4.8
Would your recommendations here change if the product was in an airless container?
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@Abdullah where do you source your caprylhydroxamic acid? I’d like to try it but can’t find it anywhere, same with chlorphenesin.