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thanks @Gunther for your ideas .

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@MarkBroussard thanks for advice i will try to make it .

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@ngarayeva001 appriciate your efforts .

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@MarkBroussard the aim of product is not styling but giving smooth and shining effect.

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@Perry you have right about what you said however vegetable oil is for sure more healthy for hair.
@ngarayeva001 thanks for sharing your experience actually i find in researchement that type of product can be good for hair however the experience is the best proof and i think about olive oil ” my country is one from top three in world olive production also our Prophet Mohammed adviced us to use it in hair” . About sucragel i find it expensive also it is almost not available in my country that is why i want to be sure from product before buying it.

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@Gunther i will try CAPB with % between 80 & 90 of surfactants appriciate your help whatever the resultat.

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@Gunther it depends on the concentration of your actives , from my experiences when LABSA is used the optimum % of NaCl for maximum of viscosity will be between 1.5 and 2.
 for the Clarity reducing % of LABSA will increase the Clarity.

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Thanks @Perry

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@Belassi the using of saccharose syrup or glucose is not Random cause they are already used espacially glycose to make no irritant surfactant as decyl glycoside.
So about developping your idea of protein we can think about some proteines powder?

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@Belassi great discover wish we find something stable and have reducing irritation effect. I’am thinking about diluated saccharose i will make some experiences and tell you .

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@Belassi have an idea about additives that reduce irritation ? it is a good idea however i never read about such additives…

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@ngarayeva001 actually for vitamine E all Lol seen contain % between 0,1 and 0,5 so even 0,5% can be good.

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@Gunther actually i think that who have lower moleculaire mass should be added the last here meant soda and my explication that litel access of it in addition it is high base will give more exess mole  cause (n= masse / moleculaire masse ) so the lower moleculaire mass the more access of moles”n” so as conclusion exess of LABSA will be more  tolareted then excess of Soda.
One more other reasons to make soda as final add,  you will neutralize many acids so it will be easier to add them all then neutralize them by soda.
For heating dissolving soda is very exothermic so that dissolving will abe to heat you blend.

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@ngarayeva001 we can think about espacially butter cause i find it best thing for increasing fusion temperature of oil blend  with keeping lovely texture and benifetes also , but solid oils(adding % of fractionned coconut oil , adding stearic acid, and other solid oils) and ester ( waxes, some emulsifiers) and fatty alcool ( cetyl alcool , stearyl alcool , blend of them…) can be other solutions.

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@Perry i respect your vision even you explention is soo clear . just one thing it will be big reason even for consumers to make free preservative product if we can do it.

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@ngarayeva001 when we have oily product theire is no problem about E.O solubilty cause we talk in such case about mixcibility so we have just the contraint of dose no more solubilty problem.

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@ngarayeva001 maybe ,about my oily product it did not need without any problem of microbes.
 About PEG 40 i miss understand you actually sure you can use it in place of polysorabate 80 and same notice for 1% E.O i think may 4% PEG 40 will be good you can try it if you want. 
Actually sometimes i’am not smart , here we don’t need solubilizer it is just oily phase so i think you can keep also you PEG 40 cause no need for solubilizer for that Lol.” i can guess that polysorbate is used for other function??? it can be..” 

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Sorry @Perry but in oily products why we need antimicrobial preservative , can microbes prosper in oil? yes our finger contain many microbes but that does mean  really that oily product must have antimicrobial presevative ?
@ngarayeva001 if really we need antimicrobial preservative so it must be used. Unless it will be more healthy to keep it without presevative and that what i see. 
i already made oily product without antimicrobial preservative and theire is no problem of conservation knowing it is used by fingers. 

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@ngarayeva001 you are welcome about ploysorbate 80 i know that it is solubilzer however i never try it but i think that it will be fine to use it in place of PEG 40 cause both are used in many Lol.
 About Vitamine E  i think that 0,2% will be fine whatever the quntity of oils ” for oily product”
cause that amout i see at many Lol of different oily products. About water it will not be able to mix with your product cause it is oily product.
Just i see that not only Vitamine E can be reduced but also polysorbate you have 1% H.E  and knowing that polysorbate 80 ratio is 3 (polysorbate 80): 1 ( HE)  i think you will be able to reduce %polysorbate to 3 or to be more secure 4.

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@ngarayeva001 thanks for that , actually i want to make by my self something like Decyl Glucoside…

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@ngarayeva001 it is just oily phase wich contains already Antioxidant “vitamine E” play the role of presevative.
 Just for cost and needs i think that you can reduce % of Vitamine E Untill 0,2% and you can verify that.

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@Gunther very intersting the fact of using distilled fatty acide for reducing cost however the question will distilled fatty acid have the same benifits of vegetable oils and the process of distillation will not use unhealthy reactifs?
About avoid yellowing i think that it is very advanced level ☺…
For the moment i just need to know if we can make hot process using TEA and what should be the maximum temperature ?

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@Gunther is not too much 2,31% NaOh for 10% Labsa ?  Ratio depend on Labsa purity or degree but it seems whatever the degree of Labsa it is more then needed quantity of NaOh.

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@Gunther moderate add of citric acid just to adjust ph near 7 will not break soap i already tested with koh soap and even with adding suitable quantity of citric acid soap is good .
About process i know that cold process will be more secure however it may will need a lot of days for complete reaction “if it is like koh and Naoh saponification” i’am not sure from how time it needs for TEA soap. So for accelerating reaction hot process will be the solution however heating TEA can be harmfull . So  what is the better process cold or hot cause even with some research i couldn’t make the choice .
@Das if you put link i will be thankful.

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@perry great explention.