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Maybe Deoxyarbutin

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For your preservatives, it would be much cheaper to purchase piroctone olamine and phenoxyethanol and mix them by yourself.

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Shandong Binzhou Gin&Ing New Material Technology Co., Ltd.

This is a manufacturer from china. Sells pg 10 stearate at $6/kg MOQ 25kg. They send 500g samples free. You only pay the shipping cost .

By the way, was your name here Chemicalmatt previously?

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You need preservatives

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Thanks

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Because to make LGN, the ratio should be 1:1 to 1:6 high HLB:low HLB surfactants in mole.

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I think Xanthan Gum and Panthenol is less than 1% in first formula so your surfactant should be ≤1% too.

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You need all of them. Add EDTA, reduce pH to at least 4.7 and increase benzoate to 0.5%.

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@philgeis you would not use it because of CMI MI or because of formalin?

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Thanks. Final rinse is with water at pH ~7. so what is the point of product being very low pH?

@philgeis any comments on safety of 0.02% CMI MI & 0.02% formalin for intimate wash?

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It is allowed where i live and it is just 0.02%

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Yes i trust them and they are very easy to work with.<div>

I have purchased several Polyglyceryl products from them including Polyglyceryl-10 Stearate

Their website

https://www.bzjinsheng.com/m/index.html

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Thank

So by what mechanism do you think this product removes calcium from hair?

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Thank

So what should we use for the purpose of suspending silicone in shampoo?

Sxs

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Thank

This product claims that it removes calcium from hair.

Is pH 2.8 because citric acid chelates calcium better at that pH? Or because at pH 2.8 hair has positive charge?

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Thanks for explanation

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Thanks

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And that glycine is 29th ingredient on LOI.

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What confused me is that in their website they say it has 3% citric acid and at LOI citric acid is 12th ingredient even after fragrance.

Can it be that 3% citric acid is not in this product and in another product?

Their LOI

AQUA / WATER / EAU ● SODIUM COCOYL ISETHIONATE ● DISODIUM LAURETH SULFOSUCCINATE ● GLYCOL DISTEARATE ● SODIUM LAURYL SULFOACETATE ● SODIUM LAUROYL SARCOSINATE ● GLYCERIN ● PARFUM / FRAGRANCE ● PPG-5-CETETH-20 ● DECYL GLUCOSIDE ● COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE ● COCO-BETAINE ● CITRIC ACID ● DIVINYLDIMETHICONE/DIMETHICONE COPOLYMER ● AMODIMETHICONE ● SODIUM HYDROXIDE ● POLYQUATERNIUM-7 ● POLYQUATERNIUM-10 ● CARBOMER ● SODIUM BENZOATE ● SODIUM CHLORIDE ● LIMONENE ● PEG-55 PROPYLENE GLYCOL OLEATE ● PROPYLENE GLYCOL ● SALICYLIC ACID ● BENZOIC ACID ● HYDROLYZED VEGETABLE PROTEIN PG-PROPYL SILANETRIOL ● GLYCINE ● POLYSORBATE 21 ● TRIDECETH-6 ● LINALOOL ● C12-13 ALKETH-23 ● C12-13 ALKETH-3 ● CITRAL ● CETRIMONIUM CHLORIDE ● PHENOXYETHANOL ● POTASSIUM SORBATE

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Good

Thanks

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@yyy thanks

@Graillotion you said dimethicone 6 cst. it is 0.5% dimethicone 5 cst. I am adding it thinking it is not volatile. Are you saying it is volatile?

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Thanks

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It is a surfactant solution.

What about formalin at that high pH for ~30 minutes?

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Bothe have same amount of anionic surfactant and polymer

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Thanks