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I suggest 0.5% citric+ 0.05% GLDA for combination of these two. It will give a good buffer to at your desired pH.

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Too much vitamin e and fragrance.

I would use 50x less of each one.

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As ketchito said, consider GMS, cetyl, behenyl, and cetearyl alcohol as structuring agents, no matter what their HLB is. You can use one of them or all of them together. I suggest behenyl+GMS to you.

Sodium Stearoyl Glutamate and Cetearyl Glucoside are emulsifiers no matter what their HLB is. (Their HLB would differ from manufacturer to manufacturer and from batch to batch. It doesn’t matter).

Important is the ratio of emulsifieror emulsifiers to structuring agent or structuring agents. It is better to be 1:4-1:6 emulsifiers: structuring agents ratio in mole.

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This would not need high shear mixing so any amount is enough.

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@PhilGeis @kbaddack STPP is there to make hard water soft. We have extremely hard water here. They are all well water.

Isn’t STPP supposed to make soluble complexes with water hardness?

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Ingredients like SLS and parabens that have bad reputation are the best ingredients.

They have replaced SLS with SCI and parabens with other preservatives to look better in ingredients list. you can see their reviews, everyone says the previous formula with SLS and parabens was more gentle, better tolerated and much better than new formula.

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What ketchito said+ Ethyhexylglycerin, 1,2-Hexanediol, caprylyl Glycol & Lavender EO all reduce viscosity

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You can use some phenoxy ethanol or phenethyl alcohol

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Is this a cleansing product?

What is the problem with pH 6?

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Chemists corner has excellent courses. You can start there

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You can use as much as you want

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When oil separated, it always means your emulsifier is not enough or is not working.

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Thanks

I don’t have any problem with EDTA but is it effective at pH 4?

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Sodium hydroxide is readily available and cheaper. Why should i use tea? <div>

pH is 4 so EDTA wouldn’t work. Im i correct?

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@ketchito yes. Actual product is clear. But after 100x dilution in hard water they all became turbid.

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@ketchito i made two batches. One with 0.5% STPP and one without STPP. Both were clear but after 100x dilution with hard water became cloudy.

Then i added 0.01% citric acid to this dilution and they became clear.

What can be happening?

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@ketchito i made a sample without sodium hydroxide.

Product was clear. pH was 10. After 100x dilution pH was 6 and precipitation happened again.

For buffer, is citric acid+sodium hydroxide an good buffer?

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Thanks. I will make a sample without sodium hydroxide and see what happens.

I was adding sodium hydroxide to keep the pH of wash water @~10 when it is diluted during use. Without sodium hydroxide pH goes down to 6-7 when diluted during use.

An expert here said STPP works best at higher pH and is almost useless at pH 6-7. What is your opinion on this?

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No it is not for acne. It is to get all it’s benefits as much as possible

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Thanks for the link.

Of course these enhances penetration of niacinamide. But do we need to penetrate it deep in the skin to do it’s job or superficial is enough?

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Those HLB doesn’t matter. It can have different HLB from same company but different batches.

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Hi <div>

Some questions if you can answer.

1. Was that free shipping for one consumer retail purchase or bulk?

2. What happened to private labels globally?

3. What happened to your local customers?

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That is good

Thanks a lot

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Actually i was just testing both ais.

I think deepseek answer is 5ppm STPP to 300ppm hardness. Not 1ppm hardness. This is why it confused me.