Which conditioning agent cope with xanthan gum

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Which conditioning agent cope with xanthan gum

Posted by Fekher on October 26, 2022 at 10:02 pm

I’am thinking to make baby’s shampoo with those ingredients :
CAPB
COCOGLUCOSIDE
PERFUME
PRESERVATIVE
WATER
MPG
XANTHAN GUM

Did this formulation need conditioning agent? Even no wich conditioning agent or in put you propose to improve my formulation?

@Perry @Paprik @Dirtnap1 @ngarayeva001
@Abdullah @chemicalmatt @Chemist77 @Pharma

Fekher replied 2 years ago 4 Members · 14 Replies
14 Replies

Paprik

Member
October 27, 2022 at 12:37 am

Any reason why you’re not including anionic surfactant?
Could you share %?

We don’t know if this “list of ingredients” would need a conditioning agent.
If it would, you won’t go wrong with, let’s say, Polyquaternium-7, Possibly Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride and maybe some superfatting agent (Ethoxylated lipid).
Abdullah

Member
October 27, 2022 at 1:28 am

Agree with @Paprik

Use an anionic surfactant and Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride.

Without anionic surfactant, removing of cationic polymer would be difficult.
Fekher

Member
October 27, 2022 at 6:24 am

@Abdullah @Paprik because listed ingredients are accessible however others not sure however what in put you can suggest for baby’s shampoo for the level

CABB 16%
Coco glucoside 4%
Xanthan gum 0,5%
MPG 4%
Perfume
Preservative
Water Qsp

I will try this as start and depends on result may I will change the level of my T. A .
drjaysee

Member
October 27, 2022 at 11:21 am

Paprik said:

Any reason why you’re not including anionic surfactant?
Could you share %?

We don’t know if this “list of ingredients” would need a conditioning agent.
If it would, you won’t go wrong with, let’s say, Polyquaternium-7, Possibly Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride and maybe some superfatting agent (Ethoxylated lipid).

@Paprik but once you mentioned anionic and cationic react together to form insoluble content so is it appropriate to use anionic and cationic together in any formulation.
Abdullah

Member
October 27, 2022 at 2:25 pm

Fekher said:

@Abdullah @Paprik because listed ingredients are accessible however others not sure however what in put you can suggest for baby’s shampoo for the level

CABB 16%
Coco glucoside 4%
Xanthan gum 0,5%
MPG 4%
Perfume
Preservative
Water Qsp

I will try this as start and depends on result may I will change the level of my T. A .

Do you mean SLES is not accessable?

What is mpg?
Paprik

Member
October 27, 2022 at 5:46 pm

drjayseesunish said:

Paprik said:

Any reason why you’re not including anionic surfactant?
Could you share %?

We don’t know if this “list of ingredients” would need a conditioning agent.
If it would, you won’t go wrong with, let’s say, Polyquaternium-7, Possibly Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride and maybe some superfatting agent (Ethoxylated lipid).

@Paprik but once you mentioned anionic and cationic react together to form insoluble content so is it appropriate to use anionic and cationic together in any formulation.

Hi, but his formula does not contain any cationic surfactant (or at least strong enough to cause any troubles).
Or maybe I don’t understand your comment? What do you think does not add up?

@Abdullah I believe MPG would be Mono Propylene Glycol.
Fekher

Member
October 27, 2022 at 6:13 pm

@Paprik I supposed that MPG is know ???? and yes it is monopropylen glycol then is it compatible using pq7 in presence of xanthan gum?
@Abdullah Sure we have SLES however I will not use it for baby’s shampoo. (accessible “mild” T. A)
Paprik

Member
October 27, 2022 at 8:17 pm

@Fekher, we simply use PG I guess
It is compatible. However I do not use PG in surfactants systems as it tends to thin them. It should not be a problem with XG tho (I think).

You can create mild products using SLES.
But I get it, there are some milder and more tolerated surfactants/options, especially for baby products.
Abdullah

Member
October 28, 2022 at 2:13 am

Fekher said:

@Paprik I supposed that MPG is know ???? and yes it is monopropylen glycol then is it compatible using pq7 in presence of xanthan gum?
@Abdullah Sure we have SLES however I will not use it for baby’s shampoo. (accessible “mild” T. A)

What is the function of mpg?

SLES: CAPB is less drying than CAPB alone or CAPB: APG.

L’oreal is using SLES in all baby shampoos. So it should be gentle enough.
Abdullah

Member
October 28, 2022 at 2:14 am

https://www.lorealparisusa.com/brands/loreal-kids
Fekher

Member
October 28, 2022 at 5:12 am

@Abdullah mild is more general than less drying so I guess it is impossible to make free tear shampoo with only CAPB and SLES. About MPG it is for dissolving easier and faster xanthan gum then it is for reducing drying effect.
Abdullah

Member
October 28, 2022 at 7:33 am

Instead of xanthan+ mpg, i suggest guar gum or HPMC.
They will not need mpg so cost less and less negative effect on foam and viscosity.
Abdullah

Member
October 28, 2022 at 7:36 am

CAPB+ APG will remove too much lipids and babies skin produce much less lipids than adults. So drying is a big concern for mildness.
Fekher

Member
October 28, 2022 at 5:39 pm

@Abdullah thanks a lot for your precious advice.