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  • What would make this warming?

    Posted by MattTheChemist on June 15, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    Hello!

    This cleanser allegedly warms when applied to the skin, but I can’t seem to identify which materials would create that thermal response. Anyone? Thank you!

    -Matt

    Glycerin, Honey/Mel/Miel, Myristic Acid, Olive Oil PEG-7 Esters, Papain, Polyglyceryl-10 Behenate/Eicosadioate, Royal Jelly, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate, Propolis Extract [Extrait de Propolis], Triethanolamine, 1,2-Hexanediol, Caprylyl Glycol

    Pharma replied 2 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 9 Replies
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  • OldPerry

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    June 15, 2022 at 9:48 pm

    Glycerin plus a lack of water

  • Abdullah

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    June 16, 2022 at 3:47 am

    @Perrydo you mean applying glycerin without water makes skin warm? 

  • OldPerry

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 11:49 am

    @Abdullah - that depends on the moisture level present on the surface of the skin. The thing responsible for the heat is the rearrangement of hydrogen bonds.

    Water & glycerin both have the capacity to form hydrogen bonds. The H bonds with water are stronger (higher energy) than the H bonds with glycerin. So when you mix glycerin and water some of the stronger water-H bonds are transferred to glycerin-H bonds. This results in excess energy which is then converted to heat. Thus the warming. 

    If you have more glycerin than water, you’ll feel the heat. More water than glycerin you won’t feel it as much.
  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 2:42 pm

    @Perry is there any ratio glycerin/water above which we can feel heat or when the heat is more than 50% we will feel heat? 

  • OldPerry

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    @Abdullah - Yes. I just don’t know what that would be.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 4:17 pm

    Perry said:

    @Abdullah - Yes. I just don’t know what that would be.

    Thanks

  • MattTheChemist

    Member
    June 16, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    @Perry fascinating. Makes sense. Thank you!

  • Sponge

    Member
    June 19, 2022 at 4:48 am
    Glycerin…huh.
    This interested me because I remember this KY Warming ingredient list as follows:
    Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Maltodextrin, Honey (Miel), Methylparaben, Sucralose
    Interesting they both happen to have honey. Or could that be a factor?

  • Pharma

    Member
    June 19, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    It’s simply hyperosmolarity which results in a warming perception on skin by ‘shrinking’ nerve cells.

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