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  • What would be the pH of this pre shampoo treatment?

    Posted by Abdullah on August 16, 2024 at 11:40 pm

    This product is used before shampoo to remove calcium from hair. It has 3% citric acid. What would it’s pH be?

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    https://www.kerastase.co.uk/ranges/regimen/premiere/decalcifying-repairing-pre-shampoo-treatment/KER_00277.html#tab=ingredients

    Abdullah replied 6 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    August 20, 2024 at 12:57 pm

    Approximately pH2.80

    • Abdullah

      Entrepreneur
      August 22, 2024 at 12:37 am

      Thank

      This product claims that it removes calcium from hair.

      Is pH 2.8 because citric acid chelates calcium better at that pH? Or because at pH 2.8 hair has positive charge?

      • ketchito

        Member
        August 26, 2024 at 8:14 am

        I wouldn’t rely on citric acid as a chelant, since you don’t have free electrons to interact with metal ions (which you have in citrates); rather, you have protonated groups that at most have a dipole (a ion-dipole can be feasible, but metal ions would compete with hydrogen bonds).

  • ketchito

    Member
    August 26, 2024 at 8:18 am

    There are actually few studies using low pH formulas to improve hair properties. Keep also in mind that while water wets hair, there’s dilution and an increasing raise in pH until the solution has the same pH of water, so no change on skin. A different story is the lipid removal from surfactants.

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    August 27, 2024 at 3:46 am

    Thank

    So by what mechanism do you think this product removes calcium from hair?

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