what improvement you suggest for that shampoo

Gunther

Member

September 19, 2018 at 3:13 am

Adding more SLES and adding CAPB + alkanolamide sharply reduces the amount of salt required to thicken it, sometimes as little as 0.5% salt is enough.

0.5% salt doesn’t feel any more irritating or anything
you can’t really feel any noticeable difference (other than viscosity).

Chemist77

Member

September 19, 2018 at 4:55 am

Mount Stupid, wow what an explanation.

amitvedakar

Member

September 19, 2018 at 6:30 am

Sles (27%)-30to40%% & CAPB (sb)-4% +Cocodiethanolamide 4%

What is your suggesition @Gunther for this?

ngarayeva001

Member

September 19, 2018 at 8:43 am

We clearly need a “like” button here :smiley:

@ngarayeva001 @Microformulation actually i have engineer diplome so stupidity that thinking an engineer is stupid , then from many comments i saw even for others it is clear how much impolite you are always blaming and seeing yourself better and superior then others, so that is worst then stupidity .

Fekher

Member

September 19, 2018 at 9:04 am

appriciate your help @Gunther

Fekher

Member

September 19, 2018 at 9:15 am

@Perry i think even if someone make mistake it must be corrected by polite answer not?

ngarayeva001

Member

September 19, 2018 at 10:27 am

@Fekher First of all, the presence of a diploma doesn’t equal competence.
Second, you are not asking for help. You are telling professionals with many
years of industry experience, and diplomas that are definitely not less valid than yours, that you
know more than they do. So, your behaviour is perfectly illustrated by the chart
above “the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive
bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly
assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is”. If you “know”
that pH meter is not required, ceteareth-25 is the best conditioner, and
FDA.gov is a random website, then you don’t need anyone’s advice. You are already the smartest guy in the room.

Chemist77

Member

September 19, 2018 at 11:09 am

@Fekher aggression won’t get you any advice or respect on this platform. I suppose @ngarayeva001 has put it very nicely for you and for all of us who think that we are the smartest among the crowd. We share ideas here, forcing those on members isn’t the concept of this set up. No one is mocking you or your ability but the way you come across with your hard and fast attitude, it drives people to sometimes come up with those explanations. Surely you are a champ in your work place but this is an ocean of experts and I have not seen a single respected member boasting of his/her abilities and strengths on this platform. You post, you listen, you read and then you either agree or disagree. That’s about it and there is no third way here.
Surely you have ideas and we all can read them here but avoid ‘Mr. Know all’ attitude.

Fekher

Member

September 19, 2018 at 11:17 am

@ngarayeva001 impolite and liar is too much hhh. for ceteareth 25 i never said it is the best conditioner for sure it is not , for ph meter i said we can use ph paper but ph meter has more precision for sure. For diploma when you know what it does mean engineer cycle talk ” self learning” hhh i’am also self learning and evryday i make many experiences and researchments i’am sure that i’am making a lots of mistakes wich i try learning and improving my level from it .
About that i think that i’am the smartest i’am sure that i’am brillant but i never though that i’am smartest and who are you to judge me and seeing what i’am thinking you don’t know nothing about me.
Actually i belive that evryone has his competences, intelligence and superoirity in some sides and weakness in some other sides. So for me evryone even child can be a source of learning .
If i think that i’am smartest i would not ask @Perry to join the group and ask for advices theire are amaizing chemist as @Perry @Belassi @Gunther really respect for them and i’am really learning from them however someother are just impolite and ill .

ngarayeva001

Member

September 19, 2018 at 11:34 am

@Fekher, you see, you should have just told us that you are brilliant from the very beginning and we would treated you accordingly. I don’t know what I was even thinking when started questioning your greatest competence and humble approach. Well, I am certainly “ill” if I dared to do so Gonna go take my pills. Have a lovely day indeed.

Microformulation

Member

September 19, 2018 at 12:55 pm

@Fekher The Dunning-Kruger effect does not suggest stupidity but rather describes a logistical fallacy where we become “experts” in the subject matter almost immediately. I used a graphic I pulled down to illustrate the learning curve so the syntax was already in the chart.

Let me describe the logistical fallacy in a parallel situation that I like to call the “Psych 101” scenario. I, like many who took a Science curriculum, had to take Psych 101 and 102. Well, Psych 101 throws you into the theory. Early in the semester, all of the students, myself included, suddenly thought we were “experts” and started to “diagnose” each other. By the end of the year and Psych 102, we evolved to see that we were hardly experts.

This is a common logical fallacy and one that I have even seen highlighted at conferences. The point is not to show you are “stupid” but rather to illustrate this fallacy can be a barrier to Professional growth as initially, when you should be learning fundamentals, you are suddenly an expert. In my experience, I have also seen it be a barrier to someone developing the fundamentals since “why do I need to read entry level articles? I am an expert!”

My best and honest advice is to engage in a directed study into the Industry, read about materials, read about Product Development and hundreds of other topics. Many of us are “arguably” experts, particularly in some niche. However, despite this, I still read 4 Journals cover to cover a month. I learn something new every day. MY POINT IS if you don’t realize the knowledge gaps (we all have them) you can not grow.

This is reflected in some statements. When you look at the structure of Ceteareth-25, read the sheets and research the material, you will see that the material is not molecularly structured to provide conditioning and/or surfactant system thickening. The statement, “I am innovating” is not revolutionary. but rather misguided.

That is about all I can say. I do see a spat above and some distressed syntax. As a rule (especially since the last election), I proactively avoid any online back and forth. In this case, I simply stand on the Chemistry and the value of identifying logical fallacies which can affect one’s Professional Development.