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Water Based Pomade

Posted by Rebelgreaser66 on May 27, 2017 at 1:40 am

Hey guys what’s up?

I have a question about some ingredients for a water based pomade formulation

Which substances could replace PEG-7 and benzyl alcohol in the formulation?

Thanks

Rebelgreaser66 replied 7 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 18 Replies
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johnb

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May 27, 2017 at 7:25 am

With the sparse information offered it is impossible to give a meaningful response. What other components are present? The amounts?

Rebelgreaser66

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May 28, 2017 at 4:40 am

Water 57%

Propylene glicol 3%

Polysorbate 20 2%
Glycerin 1,5%
PEG 40 0,8
Polysorbate 80 1,2%
Almond Oil 0,8%
Pvp k30 3,3%
Ceteareth 20 23%
Simethicone 1%

Rebelgreaser66

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May 28, 2017 at 4:55 am

What determines the hardness in the formulation of the pomade? Maybe the amounts of beeswax?
johnb

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May 28, 2017 at 6:56 am

In the formulation you have given there is no PEG-7 nor benzyl alcohol.

Following your later post, I don’t see any beeswax.

The percentage formula totals 93.6. What other components are there?
Chemist77

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May 28, 2017 at 1:33 pm

What are you trying here, clear or normal with lipo components.
Rebelgreaser66

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May 29, 2017 at 3:24 am

The remaining percentage is the amounts of Benzyl Alcohol and PEG 7 ( 2,5% and 4,9%)

About beeswax , in the formulation isn’t included but i’ll wanna know its influence if i’ll would decide using it in the formulation

Chemist77 is clear

Thanks so much
Chemist77

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May 29, 2017 at 3:35 am

If you search this forum you will find the exact information you are looking for including the formulations. That’s why it’s always better to search the forum before posting the query.
johnb

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May 29, 2017 at 7:36 am

What is the origin of the formulation you are quoting?

Benzyl alcohol at that level seems excessive.

Is it PEG 7 you are referring to or a derivative like Peg-7-glyceryl cocoate? Similarly with PEG 40 - is it that or a derivative such as PEG-40 hydrogenated castor oil? Both of these are profoundly different in their effect.

Beeswax will most likely have a negative influence of the product.
Chemist77

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May 29, 2017 at 11:51 am

The wording of the query says thousand words and so I suggested to search this forum. I remember posting the procedure and formula, he/she can let go of other things asked.
Rebelgreaser66

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May 29, 2017 at 8:28 pm

Johnb, yes, PEG-7 is peg-7-glyceryl cocoate and PEG-40 is PEG-40 hydrogenated castor oil

The origin of the formulation is an attempt at replication of “suavecito” hair pomade. The Formulation is not mine, i saw it of a project of a college partner

So, Again:

Which substances could replace PEG-7 and benzyl alcohol in the formulation?

What other component could be influence the effect over hair hardness? (soft pomade, medium pomade, hard pomade)

Thanks
Rebelgreaser66

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May 29, 2017 at 9:12 pm

Sorry for my poor english i’m from argentina

I meant, What other component could be influence the ‘hold’ of the pomade?
johnb

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May 30, 2017 at 7:35 am

peg-7-glyceryl cocoate - there is no real substitute for this material. If you are unable to obtain it, a near equivalent is PEG-6 caprylic/capric glycerides (Softigen 767) but, if you are having problems obtaining the first material, you are likely to have similar problems with the second.

Benzyl alcohol is present as an antimicrobial preservative. There are lots of materials which could replace it.

PVP K30 is the material that provides the “hold” in a pomade.
Rebelgreaser66

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May 30, 2017 at 8:53 pm

thanks so much @johnb
and the last one please

could be replace the peg-7-glyceryl cocoate for the PEG-100 Stearate?
it’d have same effect or similar over the formulation?
Microformulation

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May 31, 2017 at 3:25 am

These are pretty simple questions which show that you need to do a great deal more research before tackling this project. Those two products above aren’t even close. It seems at this point you are throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick, so to speak. You need to start looking at the fundamentals of these materials.
Rebelgreaser66

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May 31, 2017 at 4:02 am

@Microformulation Could you suggest some books for that?
Microformulation

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May 31, 2017 at 3:09 pm

I would look into one of Perry’s courses. The biggest lie in the Cosmetic Field right now is the “I can google this and it looks simple, I don’t need to be a Chemist.” Almost every other technical field you would not take this attitude. Cosmetic Chemistry is not any different. It is a fool’s belief to overly simplify it.
Microformulation

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May 31, 2017 at 3:25 pm

For example, when suggesting alternatives to a PEG ingredient you will suggest another but much different PEG. Not all PEG’s have the same function. Have you also considered PEG Bundy?
Rebelgreaser66

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May 31, 2017 at 4:11 pm

I study chemistry and i like the topic of cosmetical chemistry but this in my country is a pharmaceutical chemistry student business

For this reason I ask the above questions and not make a wrong formulation

“Have you also considered PEG Bundy?” Hey dude, maybe your mom could works better.

How rude!