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Warming Effect personal Lube / Lubricant
I am struggling with formulation to make Lubricant. Ingredients are as follows
Glycerine (80-90%)
PQ7 (6-7%)
PG (2-5%)
functional ingredients (Niacinamide, Larginine) (0.1!)
preservative
stabilizerThis is very well in durable gliding with less tackiness but there isn’t any warming effect. Even glycerine is not giving out any warming.
I do not intent to add any cooling ingredients like menthol or burning effect ingredient rather it should give constant warming and arousing effect on genitals.
Please advise if any of these can work well -Capsaicin, Vanillyl Butyl Ether (VBE), or Methyl Nicotinate. Durex Cherry is the good example of such product.
@EVchem @Sibech @Herbnerd @raveena @LincsChemist @P89Kindly Help
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With 80% glycerin, have you checked to see if you even need to preserve it?
What functionality does L argine have except to help raise the pH in the wrong direction?
All the ingredients are likely to stimulate blood flow, but you will definitely need to be careful about how much you add. So check the SDS information on hazards generated. And with such a low water content, how soluble will the various ingredients be?
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Thanks for reply
Only water content itself would need preservation.
Glycerine warming is for very short moment some times it is felt and some times it is not felt.What Cherry lube does is it gives good pleasant warming effect plus a decent arousal.
L arginine is something already in use but it will be in a minute quantity and is for blood flow.All ingredients are well soluble with the current content of water and functional products %
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Just as a disclaimer- personal lubricant does not fall under US cosmetic definition, you need 510(k) clearance which involves pre-market approval of safety (if you are selling to US market).
Personally I would avoid ‘functional ingredients’, unless you have strong evidence of the safety of each component individually and as a combination for the specific areas of application.
Are you actually getting any viscosity build from the PQ-7 in polyols? What is ‘stabilizer’?
Glycerin can produce a mild warming effect when it comes in contact with water- this requires the formula to be mostly anhydrous to start though. I’m assuming the PQ-7 is a solution so you are adding water already, and I’m not aware how safe a polyquat is for vaginal tissues, haven’t seen a polyquat in lube before.
I have tested methyl nicotinate before for a different application- it certainly produces warming. I would start with a low amount (0.1-0.5%), I’m not sure how well it will be solubilized in a polyol base.
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Hi Thanks for your reply.
Basically this product is not for US market and finished product will be sold as intimate massage product.
Actually main functional with product is to achieve the decent arousal like cherry.PQ7 is for viscosity as well as to mimic it like natural dripping which other ingredients like HEC or Carbomer doesnot give rather that gives a gel like thickness.
PQ7 is already solution based. Commercially products like astroglide are using different PQs in their ingredients you can also check their label.
If these warming product requires alteration in recipe in case it has some solubility issues will opt for it because main idea is to develop something sensational and lovable
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Funny story here - I was once asked to formulate some flavoured lubes by a friend of a friend - I delivered the first sample and - but her idea of payment was quid pro quo - and since I have no interested in being thrashed by a dominatrix, the project went dead.
Glycerol is warming on its own, especially when in contact with water and mucus membranes. Whilst 80% glycerol is fine, you could make it more of a gel using some cellulose gum/HPC/HPMC. Checking the INCI for teh durex cherry lube, I see they use some eugenol - and perhaps this also increases the warming effect.
I have seen some arousal gels that use L-Arginine which is meant as a localised vascular dilator. Perhaps niacinamide may help, but I think the nicotinic acid form is more likely to work in that area.
In terms of testing, you need to see if it will give slip and slide with minimal friction - the best way of testing this, came from a gay gay - who said to put a drop on your palms and rub together furiously - I guess that is the family safe way of testing and unlikely to lead to impropriety claims from your staff.
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HI Thanks for you reply.
Glycerine warming is very short. For thickness PQ7 gives enough thickness, so the idea to add other thickeners was dropped. Eugenol is good hint do you think we can use clove tarpene instead?Yes regarding Rub Rub testing at some point it is absorbed. But I think I will reduce glycerine content and increase water content. Because the tackiness is high.
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The main terpene in clove oil is β-caryophyllene - nothing I know about that molecule indicated a warming effect.
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