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  • use of methyl salicylate along with Oleyl amine ethoxylate

    Posted by sandyzden on November 30, 2020 at 4:44 am

    Hi all,
    I’m in the process of formulating toilet bowl cleaner for my new startup.
    I use
    HCL
    Oleyl amine ethoxylate(Acid thickener/ fatty acids)
    as per the formulation need to use methyl salicylate as odorant.
    but the problem is when i add methyl salicylate to the hcl + fatty acid solution
    it looses the viscosity and there’s a change in the color. 
    Note. i’m adding < 10ml(methyl salicylate) to 5ltrs of end-product
    what am i doing wrong here ?

    chemicalmatt replied 4 years ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • ketchito

    Member
    November 30, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    @sandyzden Toilet bowl cleaners is usually acid, but I’d like to know what’s the pH of your mixture before adding the Methyl salicylate? Is the final color after adding the methyl salicylate, yellow? 

  • sandyzden

    Member
    December 1, 2020 at 8:10 am

    before adding methyl salicylate, i’m adding acid stable blue color which is dark blue in color, post addding MS i turns into sky blue

  • ketchito

    Member
    December 2, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    @sandyzden Perhaps MS is causing a pH shift (a secondary reaction might be occuring). What’s the pH of the product before and after adding the MS?

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    December 3, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    We can assume pH is not relevant here - with HCl as de-scaler this is REALLY LOW - like 1.5 right? What is the greater problem Sandy, viscosity loss or color-change? I’ll wager a little of that methyl salicylate is hydrolyzing to salicylic acid and complexing with your dye. As for the viscosity: no comment.  

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