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Stability ? Leave in detangling conditioner spray
Hi Everyone.
Apologies in advance if this post is too long. I am in need of you help please. I have been toying with a sorayable leave in conditioner for quite a while now and although it feels great in the hair, the stability is the issue as it always separates.This is my starter formula(which I tweaked this morning and will share results below)
Phase A
Water 80%
glycerine 2%
Cetrimonimum chloride 1%
Phase B
Crodazoquat MCC 4%
isoamyl laureate 1%
Lexfeel N5. 1%
Olive oil water soluble 2%
Phase C
goat milk hydrolysate. 1%
keratin. 1%
Dpanthenol. 1%
slippery elm. 1%
marshmallow root. 1%
bamboo biofermment. 1%
floral fragrance. 1%
versatil BOB. 1%
citric acid. 1%This formula didn’t emulsify. It separated and obviously unstable.
This morning I tweaked the formula a little in the following way:
Added cetearyl alcohol at 2%
Added Cetyl alcohol 1%
Reduced water to 77%this made a very nice formula that appears stable and it has been 3hours now. However it thickened it considerably and its now like a thin lotion (which is great except I have to use a lotion pump and not a spray pump). This little accident reminds me of a Combing Cream and I shall keep this formula to make a Damage Repair cream or a Moisture cream. But the question still remains how to inmake a spray leave in detangler that is stable.
I’d appreciate any advice, input or thoughts to make my formula more stable…. I’d like a spray that hydrates, softens and detangles
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Too many ingredients. Water, cetrimonium chloride, polyq 7 or quat 80, preservative, fragrance and solubilizer will do what you want. I would say polyquat 10 but that won’t spray. If you want to make it even better add amodimethicone. Keep crodazoquat for a creamy consistency product.
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you can add all of that fairy dust (keratin, milk, panthenol) for claims, but keep it below 1% all together (not 1% each).
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ngarayeva001 said:you can add all of that fairy dust (keratin, milk, panthenol) for claims, but keep it below 1% all together (not 1% each).ngarayeva001 said:Too many ingredients. Water, cetrimonium chloride, polyq 7 or quat 80, preservative, fragrance and solubilizer will do what you want. I would say polyquat 10 but that won’t spray. If you want to make it even better add amodimethicone. Keep crodazoquat for a creamy consistency product.
Thank you so much for your input. I will be ordering the polyquat 80 soon as I can
I formulate mainly for myself and my daughters but even so I like to make great “near professional” products. I will consider removing the other ingredients and keep it simpler.
Unfortunately, at present I don’t have access to any Polyquats. I do however have VisCaress HPD but when I add oil it turns to a cream.
Perhaps the oil is the issue? Would it make any difference to stability if I reduced it to 1% OR removed altogether
In place of demithecone would Lexfeel N5 be a suitable alternative?
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Nthabi_joy said:Hi Everyone.
Apologies in advance if this post is too long. I am in need of you help please. I have been toying with a sorayable leave in conditioner for quite a while now and although it feels great in the hair, the stability is the issue as it always separates.This is my starter formula(which I tweaked this morning and will share results below)
Phase A
Water 80%
glycerine 2%
Cetrimonimum chloride 1%
Phase B
Crodazoquat MCC 4%
isoamyl laureate 1%
Lexfeel N5. 1%
Olive oil water soluble 2%
Phase C
goat milk hydrolysate. 1%
keratin. 1%
Dpanthenol. 1%
slippery elm. 1%
marshmallow root. 1%
bamboo biofermment. 1%
floral fragrance. 1%
versatil BOB. 1%
citric acid. 1%This formula didn’t emulsify. It separated and obviously unstable.
This morning I tweaked the formula a little in the following way:
Added cetearyl alcohol at 2%
Added Cetyl alcohol 1%
Reduced water to 77%this made a very nice formula that appears stable and it has been 3hours now. However it thickened it considerably and its now like a thin lotion (which is great except I have to use a lotion pump and not a spray pump). This little accident reminds me of a Combing Cream and I shall keep this formula to make a Damage Repair cream or a Moisture cream. But the question still remains how to inmake a spray leave in detangler that is stable.
I’d appreciate any advice, input or thoughts to make my formula more stable…. I’d like a spray that hydrates, softens and detangles
Update on this formula (before I bin it as a bad formula - if theres such a thing)
Because I only have Crodazoquat and Cetearyl Alcohol to work with at the moment, I tried my best to try and fix this product.
I reduced the Crodazoquat MCC to 2%
Cetearyl Alcohol to 2%
Olive oil 1%
Glycerine 1%
Removed all the other ingredients and added the remainder to water.when i made just one product it cme out fine and is still stable no separation. I then tried a bigger batch and made 3 products, dissapointingly these came out again as a lotion.
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Cetearyl alcohol is a thickener and it will form a lotion even at 2%. I can share my successful detangling spray formula:
INCI % Aqua 77.2% Amodimethicone 8.0% PEG-8 Dimethicone 7.0% Polyquat 7 1.5% Cetrimonium Chloride 2.0% Propanediol 2.0% Lavender EO 0.3% PEG-40 HCO 1.0% Germaben II 1.0% Either polyquat 7 or quat 80. Both work well. You can also replace polyquat 7 to polyquat 10 (which I personally like more) but it will be more viscous and you will need a pump bottle, not a sprayer bottle. This spray is water-soluble and all ingredients can be found on either lotioncrafter or makingcosmetics. It is quite strong, you don’t need too much of it.
Cetrimonium is 30%, and amodimethicone is watersoluble (it’s mixed with an emulsifier).
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ngarayeva001 said:Cetearyl alcohol is a thickener and it will form a lotion even at 2%. I can share my successful detangling spray formula:
INCI % Aqua 77.2% Amodimethicone 8.0% PEG-8 Dimethicone 7.0% Polyquat 7 1.5% Cetrimonium Chloride 2.0% Propanediol 2.0% Lavender EO 0.3% PEG-40 HCO 1.0% Germaben II 1.0% Either polyquat 7 or quat 80. Both work well. You can also replace polyquat 7 to polyquat 10 (which I personally like more) but it will be more viscous and you will need a pump bottle, not a sprayer bottle. This spray is water-soluble and all ingredients can be found on either lotioncrafter or makingcosmetics. It is quite strong, you don’t need too much of it.
Cetrimonium is 30%, and amodimethicone is watersoluble (it’s mixed with an emulsifier).
Thank you so much for this ☺️
Once i I have the received the ingredients I will let you know how it went ☺️
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