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Rinse-out Conditioner
Hello, my first post here, this is an excellent forum.
Rinse-out Conditioner - can anyone recommend a suitable emulsifier/s to add to a basic BETAC based conditioner that will keep it liquid/sprayable? Would it be better sticking to a CETAC based formula? I have started with basics- water, glycerin, guar, betac, cetyl alcohol. Adding oil for slip is where I’m stuck, most of the usual emulsifiers offer too much thickening and make it too thick to spray. Any advice would help. Thanks, Ray
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Maybe you can go with the most traditional, Glyceryl Stearate (and) PEG 100 Stearate. Not sure how well it will do as I’ve not tested making a conditioner with that yet.
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You could try with liquid emulsifiers, like Polysorbate 20, laureth-9 and PEG-40 HCO (the last one can be a bit thicker than the other ones). Now, to Spray the product, you don’t need it to be completely liquid; there are sprayable products in the market with certain thickness (I’ve seen some at up to 12,000 cps).
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Thank you @ketchito
I have made some experiments with these now, I should say I want to add 2% dimethicone to this base, I could swap for another emollient but will still need 1 or 2% cyclo for slip. perhaps I’m not using enough emulsifier. I tried with polysorbate 60 @ 2:1. I get a creamy floating mass separated on top. I used Activsoft Guar (low viscosity) @ 0.1% also (for slip). I cant seem to get this right
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Let’s start then with a very basic formula. Try 2% of CETAC, 2% of dimethicone, and 1% of cyclomethicone. If it separates over time, add 0.1-0.2% of ceteareth-20. If this gets a bit thicker, add 2-3% of either glycerin or propylene glycol.
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I love BRB 1288 (amodimethicone, trideceth-12, cetrimonium chloride)
Awesome conditioning trio for liquid sprays, could be added to the finished product and don’t thicken much. I don’t like how glycerin feels on my hair, though. It’s sticky and feels chalky later.
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