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  • pH drift in body cream

    Posted by booksgamesfood on August 13, 2023 at 12:11 pm

    Hi everyone,

    I am formulating a body cream and I like the look, feel, and texture of the final product. But I experienced a drift in pH the very next day. I’ve been looking at buffers and found that sodium citrate and citric acid could help: https://www.newdirections.com.au/100g-Sodium-Citrate

    So I tried it in my formulae:

    47.95% Water

    22.00% Green Tea Butter

    7.00% Butylene Glycol

    5.00% Yogurt Powder

    4.50% Castor oil

    4.00% Heliosoft

    2.50% IPM

    3.00% Fragrance

    1.00% Euxyl 9010

    1.00% Vitamin E- T50

    0.80% NeoDefend [Gluconolactone (and) Sodium Benzoate]

    0.22% Sodium Citrate

    0.05% Citric Acid

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    100.00%

    The initial pH via plastic pH strips (I know not as accurate) is 4.5 and the next day it drops to 4.0

    Side note: the emulsion stayed stable, no discoloration, tingling, and never dropped its pH again.

    So then I adjusted the formulae yesterday to this:

    47.95% Water

    22.00% Green Tea Butter

    7.00% Butylene Glycol

    5.00% Yogurt Powder

    4.50% Castor oil

    4.00% Heliosoft

    2.50% IPM

    3.00% Fragrance

    1.20% Sodium Citrate

    1.00% Euxyl 9010

    1.00% Vitamin E- T50

    0.80% NeoDefend [Gluconolactone (and) Sodium Benzoate]

    0.05% Citric Acid

    100.00%

    This time the initial pH was 5.0 and the next day (today) it dropped to 4.5

    Do you think I should keep increasing the sodium citrate or is there an ingredient you think could help anchor the pH? I know that the pH of the skin can range from 4.7-5.7 and I want it to be around a pH 5.5.

    Also any books, videos, or websites you think would be helpful are greatly appreciated. I not only want to get help with this formula but want to learn so that I can optimize future formulations.

    Graillotion replied 1 year, 4 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 13, 2023 at 3:11 pm

    Typically the buffers you are looking at…address pH drifting ‘UP’, not down. I would guess…that you have ingredients that lower the pH, that are not fully in solution/dissolved when you are taking your measurements. You can confirm this….by checking the pH over the next week…and seeing if there is further change.

    Try making a version without the Gluconolactone, and see if that does not stop the drift.

    Of course…. buy a pH meter. ????

    I know you did not ask….but:

    Too much Vit E!

    Your emulsifier is a weak one….. and you have not surrounded it with any builders! Look at adding a kiss of gum and some fatty alcohol….or I think you will have issues down the road…with shelf life.

  • Marika

    Member
    August 15, 2023 at 4:43 pm

    I guess the culprit is NeoDefend (Gluconolactone, Sodium Benzoate). Here are some tips from Lotioncrafter (they sell NeoDefend):

    In some formulations, NeoDefend<sup>TM</sup> has been found to cause a pH drift downwards. In such situations, sodium citrate or phosphate buffers can be used to stabilize the pH. Dose the final product with the required level of NeoDefend<sup>TM</sup> along with 1.5x amount of sodium citrate. For example, a 2% dose of NeoDefend<sup>TM</sup> should be accompanied by 3% sodium citrate. Mix thoroughly to ensure all solids have dissolved and adjust the pH of the formulation to 7.00 - 7.25 with 30% sodium hydroxide. Finally, adjust the pH to desired final product pH (pH 5.4 – 5.5 is ideal) with dilute sodium hydroxide or citric acid solution.

    In fact, these recommendations have been taken from one of Lonza’s docs for Geogard Ultra (same INCI as NeoDefend). There is a bit more detailed info on the last page of another Lonza’s guide:

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 15, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    Not sure what the purpose was of adding the product with Gluconolactone was? I had assumed it was to serve as your chelate? Why not just make life easy….and add something like: GLDA, aka TSGD aka Tetrasodium Glutamate Diacetate.

    Seems like you have created a great deal of hassle….which could easily be eliminated by this simple drop in?

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