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  • Petrolatum: Any plant derived or silicon based raws that can beat it at TEWL reduction wo clogging?

    Posted by Zink on September 25, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    Petrolatum is great at reducing TEWL, but are there occlusive plant derived raws (e.g. hydrogenated waxes) or silicones (e.g. high CPS dimethicone) that can beat it at TEWL reduction without clogging pores / causing breakouts? (yes, comodogenicity is a controversial measure).

    Personally I use petrolatum from time to time, I don’t have anything against it, but if you could make something a bit thinner and less shiny, that reduces TEWL for longer, you could have a great moisturizer base on your hands. 

    Microformulation replied 6 years, 1 month ago 6 Members · 14 Replies
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  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 25, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    I haven’t seen anything “beat it” as it is still the Gold standard. I do know that Floratech has released some data showing Moringa Butter is very close.

  • Zink

    Member
    September 26, 2018 at 9:15 am

    Thanks Mark, yes I’ve actually tried their Moringa Butter. It might be close, but it’s more than twice as hard to apply being near solid, not sure it retains its performance diluting it in a formula. Plus it’s quite expensive.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 26, 2018 at 12:21 pm
    Well, you will not likely beat Petrolatum. The plant-based alternatives are good but Petrolatum is still the gold standard.
    Keep in mind that decreasing TEWL is only part of moisturization. Humectants and other materials assist also.
  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    September 26, 2018 at 2:04 pm

    You might try Hydrogenated Lanolin.  There are other natural Petrolatum alternatives.

  • Dtdang

    Member
    September 26, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    I just do research on moringa fatty acids, vitamins and other nutrients. I found that it’s substants are similar to Shea Butter, … 
    it has very high % of oleic fatty acids

  • Dtdang

    Member
    September 26, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    There are few articles described moringa very highly. I think marketing hypes. 
    I am not experiencing in this area

  • Dtdang

    Member
    September 29, 2018 at 3:53 pm
  • nicotiro

    Member
    October 2, 2018 at 3:19 am
    here is another study, great one,

    Anti-Inflammatory and Skin Barrier Repair Effects of Topical Application of Some Plant Oils

    what about making a balm using beeswax and shea butter + oil

  • Microformulation

    Member
    October 2, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    @nicotiro Keep in mind that TEWL is only one aspect of moisturization.  Also, these studies are done with higher percentages of oils than would be generally used outside of an anhydrous product. If I needed to deliver an “anti-inflamatory” aspect (an OTC drug function when parsed that way) I would use many actives before an oil.

  • Zink

    Member
    October 3, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    Floratech claims that their their Moringa butter performs about equally to petrolatum (2% being 10% away from 5% petrolatum at reducing TEWL 2 hrs post a SLS challenge), their Jojobaesters 60 is even closer.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    October 3, 2018 at 3:23 pm
  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    October 3, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    Here’s the strange thing about that Floratech comparison of Moringa Butter to Petrolatum.  Why would you compare Moringa Butter @ 2% load versus Petrolatum @ 5% load?

    You would think the more appropriate test would be Moringa Butter versus Petrolatum, both at 5% load.  And, then show the quantity of Moringa Butter that performs as effectively as 5% Petrolatum … which presumably is somewhere around 3% or so.

    The only logic I can think of is that 2% Moringa Butter costs about as much as 5% Petrolatum.

  • OldPerry

    Member
    October 3, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    @MarkBroussard - possibly, but I’d guess they ran the test at different levels and the only one that came out with compelling marketing results were the 2% ones. Studies published by raw material suppliers shouldn’t be considered science. At best, they are directional information.

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    October 3, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    That certainly is possible.  I’ve always found that particular study to be strange, even from a marketing perspective since the results don’t show that Moringa Butter is better than Petrolatum, just that is it almost as good as Petrolatum.

    @Perry, you are probably right … perhaps they did not find any level of Moringa Butter that was equal to, or superior to, Petrolatum.

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