Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating General Natural preservatives

  • Microformulation

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    June 18, 2018 at 2:30 pm
    I use it as it is better tolerated in today’s”natural” markets. EDTA’s are generally frowned upon. It is a product that Kinetik (Dr. Straetman’s US Rep) pushes hard.  I guess otherwise my other option is Dissolvine GL-47-S which I also have in stock.
    I will email Kinetik right now and share their thoughts.
  • Doreen

    Member
    June 18, 2018 at 4:42 pm

    @Microformulation  @Biochemist
    This looks like an interesting read.

  • Pete

    Member
    June 18, 2018 at 10:44 pm

    Have you considered enzymatic hydrolysis (saponification) instead of KOH then? This is certainly a natural process.

  • Gunther

    Member
    June 19, 2018 at 3:00 am

    Are there any EDTA derivatives, or any other substances that work just like EDTA
    without bearing its name?

  • Chemist77

    Member
    June 19, 2018 at 8:17 am

    Dissolvine range from AKZO, specially Dissolvine GL 38 and Dissolvine 47S. Tetrasodium Glutamat Diacetate is the INCI name. 

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    June 19, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    @Doreen @Gunther @Microformulation @Biochemist

    The product should be adequately preserved first - then
    there will be no bacteria capable of phytase synthesis.  The same could be
    said for esters, polysaccharides, etc. - bacteria produce enzymes to break
    those down as well.

  • Biochemist

    Member
    June 19, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Good point @SteveW but I just hate bacteria to have one up on me and my preservation strategy before I start ?

  • Microformulation

    Member
    June 19, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    For all, I want to point out that SteveW is a Technical Representative for Kinetik. I emailed him and as a member of the board he reached out and answered directly. He is a great source of info in this matter.

  • Anonymous

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    June 19, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    @Biochemist  I get your point.  We take a very wide view of preservation.  With all these natural systems you have to look at all the materials in a formula as well as the pH, etc.  We do about 4 - 8 challenge tests per week to make sure our customers systems are well protected.  Nothing takes the place of rigorous PET testing.  If anyone needs help with this, please let me know. 

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