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  • Liquid Soap is cloudy

    Posted by Anonymous on February 18, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Hi,

    I made liquid hand soap with coconut oil, safflower oil, palm kernal oil and potassium hydroxide.  I did 10% additional KOH and then neutralized with boric acid.  I thickened it with sodium chloride and added grapefruit extract for scent.  I sequestered for 2 weeks and now it is cloudy and has a “white cloud” on the bottom that won’t mix in.  Is this due to the grapefruit extract?  I have made this same soap and scented with orange essential oil and the soap was clear.  Any suggestions to fix would be great!!

    Thanks

    Bobzchemist replied 10 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    February 18, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    It could be microbial contamination. What was the final pH? Have you run a plate count?

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    February 18, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Compounder, when you lowered the pH, then added salt, you salted out the saponified coconut/palm higher fractions (C18 +).  Leave the pH at 9.0 plus, and don’t add salt.  As long as your total solids are less than 25%, you should be OK.  If not, just decant the water off and re-tag it as shaving cream. No problemo!

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    February 18, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    chemicalmatt:
    The pH is currently 9.  I have made several other batches and used salt to thicken it.  I have never had that happen.  Do you think its the grapefruit essential oil cauing the cloudiness?

    Bobzchemist: The pH is currently 9.  I don’t think its microbial contamination.

  • The_Microbiologist

    Member
    February 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    It could still be microbial contamination at pH 9 in my opinion.  To quote my Ph.D. advisor Charles Gerba, “Germs never give up, they always find a way!”

    pH 10 or above would be the alkalinity at which I would not anticipate much microbial growth.

    The problem with germs is that they’re invisible so it’s tough to tell without lab testing.

  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    February 19, 2014 at 9:12 am

    We’ve seen microbial/fungul growth in our liquid soaps up to pH 11…

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