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  • leave in conditioner help

    Posted by chem.ist on June 23, 2025 at 9:40 am

    trying to make a leave in conditioner with a base of water, silsoft q pmf (quaternium18, trideceth-6, trideceth-12), and polymulse polymeric emulsifier (Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer).

    Im having an issue where the polymer precipitates out. Ive tried hydrating the polymer completely in water and then adding the silsoft, as well as combining the water and silsoft, and then adding the polymer. Both ways results in the polymer either forming a huge clump, or just being dispersed but never hydrating. I keep the pH around 5.5 so i dont think thats my issue.

    Any ideas??

    Aniela replied 2 hours, 3 minutes ago 2 Members · 1 Reply
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  • Aniela

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    June 23, 2025 at 10:55 am

    Hi, as I’m not familiar with the ingredients used, I’ve asked ChatGPT:

    Electrolyte Sensitivity of the Polymer

    Polymulse (Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer) is sensitive to cationic surfactants like Quaternium-18. These can interfere with polymer hydration and gel network formation, leading to clumping or precipitation.

    Order of Addition

    These polymers must be fully dispersed and neutralized before introducing surfactants, oils, or actives—especially cationics or anything with cloud point behavior (like trideceth-6/12).

    pH and Neutralization

    While you’re keeping the final pH at 5.5, it’s crucial to neutralize the polymer at the right time and pH range (6–7) before adding other materials. If neutralization occurs in the presence of Silsoft, hydration fails.

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