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  • Issue With Xanthan Gum / Hydroxyethylcellulose Precipitating from Aqueous Serums

    Posted by MarkBroussard on December 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    I’m having a bit an issue with with a mixture of Xanthan Gum & Hydroxyethylcellulose precipitating from solution in low pH aqueous serums.  Anyone have any ideas?

    MarkBroussard replied 9 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    December 22, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    I am homogenizing at 15,000 RPM for 10 minutes, stirring for 30 minutes, and homogenizing at 15,000 RPM for another 10 minutes.  The solution is relatively clear.  But, in doing stability testing, I am getting some settling of a “gel” after 2 to 3 weeks and/or a floating haze, with a very clear layer at the top.

    I’m going to do a run without the gums to see and a separate run with the gums to make sure that the precipitate is the gums or not.

  • OldPerry

    Member
    December 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    You might also try an experiment where you adjust the pH higher to see if that is causing the problem.  

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    December 22, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Yes, I suspect it is indeed a pH issue as I get more precipitate with one formulation at pH 3.5 than I get in a second formulation at pH 4.0.

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    December 23, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    I think the culprit is Hydrolysed Wheat Protein … anyone ever have issues with Hydrolysed Wheat Proteins precipitation out at low pH?

    I did a knock-out experiment eliminating the Hydrolysed Wheat Protein and that seems to have done the trick.
  • alam

    Member
    December 25, 2014 at 5:28 am

    Hi Mark,

    I think you should reduce the time & speed of homogenizer, sometimes due to high speed & prolong homogenizing creates separation.

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    December 25, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    Thanks Alam.  I will give that a try.  Appreciate it!

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