Increasing hair gel viscosity

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Increasing hair gel viscosity

Posted by Fekher on February 16, 2019 at 9:25 pm

hi friends , whats is the best ingredient to have important increasement of gel’s viscosity without increasing the level of carbomer and preserving gel texture ( without using ceteareth) ?
i’am thinking about peg but i did not find any reference for best one or is there any other solution ?
@Perry @Chemist77 @Dirtnap1 @Doreen

Fekher replied 5 years, 9 months ago 8 Members · 15 Replies
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Doreen

Member
February 17, 2019 at 10:37 am

I wouldn’t know of a way to increase gel viscosity and keep the same texture besides raising the level of carbomer, I’m afraid. Perhaps other members can be of assistance to you.
Good luck!
Fekher

Member
February 17, 2019 at 12:25 pm

@Doreen any way thanks for your answer .
Chemist77

Member
February 17, 2019 at 3:56 pm

Concur with @Doreen, I doubt if that would be possible without increasing the carbomer. I am not sure which PEG you are referring to here and how it can build up viscosity.
Fekher

Member
February 17, 2019 at 4:56 pm

@Chemist77 @Doreen actually elegance gel have great viscosity that soo difficult to reach it with only carbomer same for few other gels the commun point is they are all containing : castor oil or peg 40 castor oil.
pepe

Member
February 19, 2019 at 2:28 pm

@Fekher If your benchmark is elegance try aculyn 88 and fixate plus beside carbomer.
Dirtnap1

Member
February 19, 2019 at 5:10 pm

Fixate Plus (Lubrizol) will thicken the base when properly pH’ed. Along with carbomer, should thicken to where you can stand a spoon in the solution.
Fekher

Member
February 20, 2019 at 5:55 am

@pepe thanks for the input, really soo interesting and have idea about price of the fixate plus and level ? actually i’am working with pvp/va BASF.
Thanks @Dirtnap1 what adequat ph for Lubrizol fixate plus?
Dirtnap1

Member
February 21, 2019 at 12:05 am

Will depend a lot on desired thickness and clarity. So you would have to play with it. >6 less clarity but a bit more hold. <6 more clarity, slightly less hold.
em88

Member
February 21, 2019 at 2:26 pm

What carbomer are you using from Lubrizol? They have a wide variety of carbomers, and most likely they offer something with higher viscosity. For example carbopol 980 NF should give very high viscosity gels.
Fekher

Member
February 21, 2019 at 8:25 pm

@Dirtnap1 thanks for your intersting share actually the choice is difficult between hold and clarity ☺.
@em88 actually i have spanish carbomer 996 wich quite good and there are a lot of carbomer as you said wich give differents viscosity in same level.
ngarayeva001

Member
February 21, 2019 at 11:15 pm

Carbopol 980 is very viscous at .5%
ozgirl

Member
February 22, 2019 at 12:18 am

Have you considered the POLYOX Water Soluble Resins from Dow.

Unfortunately I have only trialled them in non cosmetic applications so I can’t really help with which ones might be suitable but your Dow rep should be able to help.
Fekher

Member
February 22, 2019 at 7:50 am

@ngarayeva001 thanks for the help and this curve have a plus about carbomer and viscosity but i have always problem of access .
Whatever @ozgirl thanks a lot for your input.
em88

Member
February 22, 2019 at 11:19 am

What is the viscosity you are looking for?
Fekher

Member
February 22, 2019 at 3:34 pm

@em88 actually no precise value but a viscosity near to elegance gel ( lit bit higher) .