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  • How to identify electrolyte-containing ingredients

    Posted by GeorgeBenson on January 14, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    I love Aristoflex AVC but sometimes I find myself using another polymer in its place because I’m not sure if my formula contains electrolytes or not. This is because except for some obvious ones like Aloe Vera and Sodium PCA I simply do not know if a lot of my ingredients contain electrolytes or not. 

    With AVC it is very obvious when electrolytes deactivate it, because it will lose viscosity, but I am concerned that maybe it will be partially deactivated and I won’t notice. 

    So is there a simple way of knowing who the electrolytes are? 

    What are some other common cosmetic ingredients with electrolytes?

    Thanks.

    Graillotion replied 1 year, 11 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 14, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    Just take a beaker….with say 100 ml water…..add .7-1% Aristoflex….blend till homogenised.

    Add suspect ingredient (at ratio you plan to use) and mix again….then evaluate.

    It will give results…in a minute (not days, weeks, months.)

    Bingo….done.

    FYI….other polymerics being more tolerant….that is mainly marketing propaganda….when they say ‘better’….well…is 1% more tolerant….better?  :D  Hehehe…you know the game….define better.

  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 15, 2023 at 1:43 am

    I would be remiss to not mention….you can also have a cumulative effect….so testing each individual ingredient will not be sufficient.  At some point….you’ll have to combine all water phase ingredients with the water and polymeric…and determine how it performs in a group setting.

    Wanna have some fun?

    Take your Aristoflex AVC solution….and while stirring and on a scale…. add your Sodium PCA with a dropper…and record at what percentage…it breaks the gel.

    I assume you have ZEN…the one that brags about being more tolerant…. Do the same think… make a gel….and while stirring on the scale….add sodium PCA…and record at what percentage….it breaks the gel.

    I think you will be enlightened….and it would be good feedback for posterity.

    Aloha.

  • GeorgeBenson

    Member
    January 15, 2023 at 8:30 am

    Hmmm I swear EMT appears much more tolerant of electrolytes compared to AVC in the same formula. You sure it’s just marketing? I think there might be some truth to these claims. 

    I will try our some of your experiments and report back my findings.
  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    January 15, 2023 at 8:33 am

    Salts are usually strong electrolytes and are made when acid reacts with metal. So look for a metal in the name: Sodium, Potassium, Magnesium etc. 

  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 15, 2023 at 8:40 am

    Hmmm I swear EMT appears much more tolerant of electrolytes compared to AVC in the same formula. You sure it’s just marketing? I think there might be some truth to these claims. 

    I will try our some of your experiments and report back my findings.

    I did not mean to infer…No difference in tolerance… Just not as much as the marketing would lead one to believe. :) 

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