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Help with my Gel
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Gel maker? I think we’re on different wavelengths. I am talking about emulsions.
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All this is why there are so many grades of Carbomer. They have some that are specifically more electrolyte resistant.I have been able to thicken True strength (1X) Aloe with the right grade of Carbomer and the proper neutralizer. Knockout of the park.As for the efficacy of Aloe, there are all sorts of opinions, many from anecdotal data as well as a few cited studies I have read. This may sound bad, but regardless of what it does, my clients ask for it and it poses no real issues in the Formulation or Procurement. I have no issue with it in a gel or an emulsion. Honestly, if it works is debatable, but it is all marketing.Is this wrong? No, since every day in the lab, averaging 2 prototypes a day, I use a handful of raw materials I think possess real effect and the rest is bunk. Nature of the Market. -
I Think Aloe extract (liq.) has pH of 5 (aprx). So sodium carbomer can do better Gel.Our supplier give us Aloe in gel form made with Xanthum Gum. -
@Belassi I see. I prefer polymers to conventional thickeners
for emulsions, and electrolytes compromise the texture. I am sure that someone
with more experience can overcome this issue easily. I do have a couple of electrolyte
resistant polymers but those are not my favourite.@@Microformulation , may I ask what type of Carbomer and neutralizer did you use? I used Carbomer 940 and it took me too much of TEA (slightly more than 1%) to
neutralise it with the presence of aloe powder (0.1% of 200x). I am not too
persuaded that aloe offers any significant benefits, but I want to
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Thank you!
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Hi Ngarayeva001 I have a non Organic Aloe ferox gel which we sell over 600kg a year, in this gel i do use the the Carbomer INCI Acrylates C 10-30 Alkyl Acrylate crospolymer at 2% and my TEA at abour2.6% . This makes a amazing gel.
Why I use Aloe ferox petcin it is 100% Certified Organic via Eco Cert, I have gone to look at their requirements for Organic and Mark correct me if i am wrong but it states that to claim Organic your end product must have 95% organic ingredients and the other 5% Natural or Synthetic So can use the Carbomer but will adjust the pH with caustic soda flakes.(5ml to 100ml mix with water)BCBull I am also trying to souce the ingredients you suggested, but cannot believe the amout of time it takes to source these ingredients locally.
Any case will keep you updated
Thank you
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@O12, I might be missing something but Acrylates C 10-30 Alkyl Acrylate crospolymer gets very thick even at 0.3% (this is my experience with the product bought from two suppliers). I have never used more than 0.2%.
TEA is a very strong pH elevator. I assume it would raise pH to not skin friendly level at 2.6%. Also, if I am not wrong, TEA is restricted to 1% for leave on products on certain markets.
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Ngarayeva001 As usual you are right TEA at 1.3% and the Carbomer is at 1%., also EDTA at 0.1%.
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