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  • HELP!! I need some help with my coconut milk shampoo and conditioner

    Posted by Blossoms on May 7, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    Ist of I want to say a big thank you for approving my request. So I have been writing recipes for a coconutmilk and honey shampoo/conditioner. But someone wrote here that he has tried working on cocomilk shampoo and it separated though I see so many cocomilk shampoo in the market. So I really want to try it out. Am not sure if I should be heating the coconut milk with water or the surfactant. Am scared heat it’s going to scorch it and no it have a nasty smell. So am considering adding it to my cool down phase. Both in the shampoo and conditioner. I need an honest advice on that please. Then again at what % can I add the coconutmilk without it separating? I have it at 5% , is it too much or too small. Then again I have my surfactant at 17% which includes polyglucoside and decyl glucoside/sodium laurayl (can’t really remember the name. I also noticed that Disodium EDTA are added at either 0.1 or 0.2%. But in my country what I can lay my hands on right now is tetrasodium EDTA.  Should I use it at the same % as Disodium.

    I also got conditioner SD from making cosmetics and I have read it’s added to water phase with citric acid also so it’s cationic properties can come alive, (lol) is this correct and if yes what % of citric acid is best added? Lastly, I want to ask what %  of centrimonium chloride should be added to rinse off conditioners to gv a detangling effect and What % should be added to leave in conditioner that won’t weight or cause build ups…I know it’s so much but all answers will be appreciated. Your answrrs will help me carry out a stability test.Thanks

    Blossoms replied 6 years, 6 months ago 3 Members · 9 Replies
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  • belassi

    Member
    May 7, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    I used about 20% coconut milk in my experiment. Apart from anything else I found that it caused excessive build-up resulting in a lank effect. Not a good ingredient IMO.

  • Blossoms

    Member
    May 7, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    Are you sure 20%  isn’t too much then again have u tried a smaller %? I think I am going to try 5% and mayb3 lesser….did you heat it up or add to cool down phase.

  • belassi

    Member
    May 7, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    It was one of the candidates in a list of naturals. The coffee shampoo for instance uses 100% percolated coffee, the whole idea was not to add small percentages of this or that but to make a shampoo based entirely on a natural product; and in this respect, coconut milk failed completely.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    May 7, 2018 at 10:10 pm

    What benefit do you feel that the Coconut Milk will bring to the Product and in the same vein, what positive effect would your clients experience? What are your citations? Is this based on “what others say” or a blog not properly supported?

    I ask these questions not to challenge you personally, but to communicate some thoughts that we should consider each time we use an active or a raw material. Likely for each and every blog you cite, I could cite a conflicting blog. These are not valid sources.

    In the end, you may simply arrive at the decision that it is in their for marketing reasons, that being it makes the product attractive or desirable to a demographic of the market. This is very common, especially in an emotional market such as Cosmetics. However, if this becomes the case, you can then decide that it really doesn’t matter what percentage you use and likely you would keep it quite low.

  • Blossoms

    Member
    May 8, 2018 at 11:02 am

    In the country where am from its definitely for marketing reasons, people over here buy with their eyes and this is based on the psychology of what the market sells to them, though the basic ingredients of making a shampoo and conditioner are still intact, but to make the product draw the interest of buyers/my target audience I have to give them what appeals to them, that’s just the psychology.

  • Blossoms

    Member
    May 8, 2018 at 11:03 am

    Thanks @Microformulation I guess a lower % won’t hurt but can you suggest a %

  • Blossoms

    Member
    May 8, 2018 at 11:04 am

    @Belassi thank you so much for the explanation

  • Microformulation

    Member
    May 8, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    Right at 1%?

  • Blossoms

    Member
    May 8, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    @Microformulation ok I will try 1% and see how it goes. Thank you!

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