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  • Help formulate a better hair mask

    Posted by Zahra on March 1, 2022 at 6:24 am
    Hello, I have a problem making a hair mask after a bath. Thank you for your help
    Because it is good when I apply it to unpainted hair, but it gives a little softness when I apply it to damaged hair.

    Ingredient
    Water 70.74%
    Stevostearyl alcohol 5.08%
    Glycerin 5.08%
    Coconut oil 1.69%
    Macadamia oil 0.860%
    Argan oil 0.865%
    Steriumonium chloride 1.04%
    Isothiazolinone 3.3%
    Citric acid 0.09%
    Hydrolyzed keratin protein 7.78%
    Zahra replied 1 year ago 7 Members · 31 Replies
  • 31 Replies
  • Zahra

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 6:34 am

    Of course, I think I should increase the amount of cationic surfactant and glycerin and the amount of oils a little. He answers me

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 1, 2022 at 7:13 am

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

  • ketchito

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    @Zahra I’d remove Glycerin, add some silicone and replace your cationic surfactant for one with longer chain (like Behentrimonium chloride) at a bit higher level.

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 2:46 pm

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%

    Hello
    The problem I have is that when I turn these ratios up and down it does not work properly on damaged hair. I do not know exactly what percentage of surfactant to add to a hair mask or conditioner after a bath. Because the amount of surfactants causes more than 5% adhesion or I increase glycerin Or I have a problem with formaldehyde-free creatine

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 2:56 pm

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Adding this preservative to some materials would cause contamination, so I used this amount
    Thankful


  • Zahra

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 4:32 pm

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Excuse me, where can I find a list of the permissible percentages of substances used in formulations?

  • OldPerry

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    March 1, 2022 at 5:09 pm

    CIR-safety.org

    or https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eur/2009/1223/annex/V - Preservatives

    Ingredients in general for the EU - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eur/2009/1223/contents

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 1, 2022 at 9:35 pm

    Hello, thank you very much
    I hope I can

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 2, 2022 at 1:24 am

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%

    Hello

     The problem I have is that when I turn these ratios up and down it does not work properly on damaged hair.
    I do not know exactly what percentage of surfactant to add to a hair mask or conditioner after a bath.
    Because the amount of surfactants causes more than 5% adhesion or I increase glycerin
    Or I have a problem with formaldehyde-free creatine

    Yes when you change the ratios you get different results. See what you like the most

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 2, 2022 at 3:10 am

    Abdullah said:

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%

    Hello

     The problem I have is that when I turn these ratios up and down it does not work properly on damaged hair.
    I do not know exactly what percentage of surfactant to add to a hair mask or conditioner after a bath.
    Because the amount of surfactants causes more than 5% adhesion or I increase glycerin
    Or I have a problem with formaldehyde-free creatine

    Yes when you change the ratios you get different results. See what you like the most

    Hi thanks
    I had a question when I say that the percentage of surfactant like steerium chloride is 5%.
    In a solitary concentrate
    When several cationic surfactants are added, the permissible percentages of each should be poured or the same as 5?Hi thanks
    I had a question when I say that the percentage of surfactant like cetermonium chloride is 5%.
    In a solitary concentrate
    When several cationic surfactants are added, the permissible percentages of each should be poured or the same as 5?
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 2, 2022 at 8:11 am

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%.

    Abdullah said:

    What is the problem?

    You should not use that preservative more than 0.1%

    Hello

     The problem I have is that when I turn these ratios up and down it does not work properly on damaged hair.
    I do not know exactly what percentage of surfactant to add to a hair mask or conditioner after a bath.
    Because the amount of surfactants causes more than 5% adhesion or I increase glycerin
    Or I have a problem with formaldehyde-free creatine

    Yes when you change the ratios you get different results. See what you like the most

    Hi thanks
    I had a question when I say that the percentage of surfactant like steerium chloride is 5%.
    In a solitary concentrate
    When several cationic surfactants are added, the permissible percentages of each should be poured or the same as 5?Hi thanks
    I had a question when I say that the percentage of surfactant like cetermonium chloride is 5%.
    In a solitary concentrate
    When several cationic surfactants are added, the permissible percentages of each should be poured or the same as 5?

    I think the uper limit of Steriumonium chloride is leave in product is 0.25%.

    If you add several surfactants you can add each one to their upper limit.

  • David

    Member
    March 2, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    Isothiazolinone 3.3%! The maximum safe concentration in ready for use preparation of methyl-Isothiazolinone in EU is 0,0015%. Actually the formulation above is more dangerous than applying 100% preservative Euxyl K100 or Kathon CG on your skin!

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 16, 2022 at 3:36 am
    Hello
    Can anyone really guide me through the construction process?
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 16, 2022 at 9:34 am

    Several people did guide you on what to add or remove or change the percentage. 

    Did you make the changes as they guided you? 

    What was the result? 

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

    Abdullah said:

    Several people did guide you on what to add or remove or change the percentage. 

    Did you make the changes as they guided you? 

    What was the result? 

    Hi, thanks
    Yes, thank you all
    The result was somewhat good and I also reduced the amount of isothiazolinone.
    But the results are different on each hair. I think it depends on the sex of the hair and the dryness and fat of the hair.
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 16, 2022 at 11:36 am

    That is good that the results were somewhat better than before.

    What do you want now? 

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 16, 2022 at 11:56 am

    Abdullah said:

    That is good that the results were somewhat better than before.

    What do you want now? 

    Hi thanks
    In the production process, I do not know how much cationic surfactant should actually be used for, say, 60 grams of sample.
    I read that 2.5% of cetermonium chloride should be consumed as much as one person concentrate.
    How much is this single concentrate 30 ml?
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 16, 2022 at 2:44 pm

    Where are you from? 

    I don’t know if it is because of problem in my English or your English has problem too because i don’t understand a lot of what you say correctly. 

    Ask your supplier how much active surfactant does it have.

    You may need a non-ionic surfactant too. 

    And I don’t know how are you homogenizing a 60ml batch. 

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 16, 2022 at 6:06 pm

    Abdullah said:

    Where are you from? 

    I don’t know if it is because of problem in my English or your English has problem too because i don’t understand a lot of what you say correctly. 

    Ask your supplier how much active surfactant does it have.

    You may need a non-ionic surfactant too. 

    And I don’t know how are you homogenizing a 60ml batch. 

    Hi thanks
    My point is clear
    What field are you in?
    Because I think you did not understand my problems correctly.
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 17, 2022 at 1:53 am

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    That is good that the results were somewhat better than before.

    What do you want now? 

    Hi thanks
    In the production process, I do not know how much cationic surfactant should actually be used for, say, 60 grams of sample.
    I read that 2.5% of cetermonium chloride should be consumed as much as one person concentrate.
    How much is this single concentrate 30 ml?

    Yes i didn’t understand your clear point clearly. 

    Do you understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use but don’t know how to convert it to grams in a 60 grams batch?

    Or you don’t understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use?
    If this is your problem, the usage rage is generally 0.2-2%. 
    Start from 1%. If it is more conditioning, reduce it. If it is less then increase it until you find what you like. 

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 17, 2022 at 7:50 am

    Abdullah said:

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    That is good that the results were somewhat better than before.

    What do you want now? 

    Hi thanks
    In the production process, I do not know how much cationic surfactant should actually be used for, say, 60 grams of sample.
    I read that 2.5% of cetermonium chloride should be consumed as much as one person concentrate.
    How much is this single concentrate 30 ml?

    Yes i didn’t understand your clear point clearly. 

    Do you understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use but don’t know how to convert it to grams in a 60 grams batch?

    Or you don’t understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use?
    If this is your problem, the usage rage is generally 0.2-2%. 
    Start from 1%. If it is more conditioning, reduce it. If it is less then increase it until you find what you like. 

    Hi thanks
    Yes, I know what percentage I should use. But from small to large, I use the same range, for example, from 1 to 5 percent
    I share.
    Within the limits allowed by the European Union.
    But I do not know exactly what surfactants I use
    In total, what percentage should I use for this amount?
    Yes thank you
    I also have trouble making a hair straightener that requires a total of what percentage of cationic surfactants and silicones to use per 100 grams.
    I have a permissible range of percentages, but when I use silicones a little more than surfactants, it does not give the desired result. I even change their value.
    I set the aqueous phase and the oil phase to 75-80.
    After a while, I mix them.
    To make a hair mask or
     Hair straighteners
    I go through this process.
    I do not know the process
    Hair straightening is right or I have to go some other way.
    Of course, I also use other substances such as protein, emulsifier, thickener and moisturizer.
  • Zahra

    Member
    March 17, 2022 at 7:59 am

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    That is good that the results were somewhat better than before.

    What do you want now? 

    Hi thanks
    In the production process, I do not know how much cationic surfactant should actually be used for, say, 60 grams of sample.
    I read that 2.5% of cetermonium chloride should be consumed as much as one person concentrate.
    How much is this single concentrate 30 ml?

    Yes i didn’t understand your clear point clearly. 

    Do you understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use but don’t know how to convert it to grams in a 60 grams batch?

    Or you don’t understand what percentage of cationic surfactant you should use?
    If this is your problem, the usage rage is generally 0.2-2%. 
    Start from 1%. If it is more conditioning, reduce it. If it is less then increase it until you find what you like. 

    Hi thanks
    Yes, I know what percentage I should use. But from small to large, I use the same range, for example, from 1 to 5 percent
    I share.
    Within the limits allowed by the European Union.
    But I do not know exactly what surfactants I use
    In total, what percentage should I use for this amount?
    Yes thank you
    I also have trouble making a hair straightener that requires a total of what percentage of cationic surfactants and silicones to use per 100 grams.
    I have a permissible range of percentages, but when I use silicones a little more than surfactants, it does not give the desired result. I even change their value.
    I set the aqueous phase and the oil phase to 75-80.
    After a while, I mix them.
    To make a hair mask or
     Hair straighteners
    I go through this process.
    I do not know the process
    Hair straightening is right or I have to go some other way.
    Of course, I also use other substances such as protein, emulsifier, thickener and moisturizer.

    I used non-ionic surfactant.
    For example ceteareth_20
    I wanted to use other non-ionic surfactants as well
    trideceth_12
    Because it is used in most hair straighteners
    Of course, there are other compounds that may be helpful.
    Like formaldehyde
    But I do not want to use it.
  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 17, 2022 at 8:27 am

    Sorry but i think you have problem in math too. Specially in understanding percentage. 

    Do you know one percent it equal to how many grams? 

  • Zahra

    Member
    March 17, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    Abdullah said:

    Sorry but i think you have problem in math too. Specially in understanding percentage. 

    Do you know one percent it equal to how many grams? 

    Hi, I have no problem with calculations.
    Yes I know
    1% of the substance in 60 g sample is 0.6 g
  • Zahra

    Member
    March 17, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    Zahra said:

    Abdullah said:

    Sorry but i think you have problem in math too. Specially in understanding percentage. 

    Do you know one percent it equal to how many grams? 

    Hi, I have no problem with calculations.
    Yes I know
    1% of the substance in 60 g sample is 0.6 g

    You do not understand my questions correctly.
    Thank you for guiding me so far.
    But my questions are something else
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