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  • dimethicone in water

    Posted by ltruong on April 20, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Hi all,
    I am new to cosmetic science and eager to learn more.
    I have a quick question, dimethicone is not soluble in water at 1% as I can see a thin layer of oil on top of water layer and I am trying to solubilize it by adding 1% tween 80 with a vigorous mix at 40C. However it doesnt seem to work as there are still two layers and the solution looks more cloudy.
    I know its a simple question to most of you but Could someone please explain?
    thank you !

    PeiHoong replied 7 years, 6 months ago 5 Members · 9 Replies
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  • belassi

    Member
    April 20, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    You’re not going to succeed going that route. Instead, use a water-dispersible silicone, e.g. Silsense DW-18.

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    April 20, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    You can also use DC 193 Fluid from Dow Corning  inci  peg 12 Dimethicone  which is water soluble and surface active

  • PeiHoong

    Member
    April 21, 2017 at 7:12 am

    should it be premixed 1% of dimethicone in 2% of tween 80 then only added into the water?

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    April 21, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    yes-an emulsifiable concentrate is always better but you may need higher ratio of P_80-

  • ltruong

    Member
    April 22, 2017 at 5:28 am

    DrBOB- thank you !  what ration of P_80 that you are suggesting?

  • johnb

    Member
    April 22, 2017 at 5:39 am

    Are you sure that dimethicones are soluble/dispersible in polysorbates?

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    April 22, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    not sure which is why suggested using silicone copolyol whih is water soluble.What do you think?

  • ltruong

    Member
    April 22, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    I tried 2:1 ratio of tween 80:dimethicone- I premixed  1% of dimethicone in 2% of tween 80 at 45C and then added into water but didnt work- Maybe I am better off going with water soluble silicone. thank you all !

  • PeiHoong

    Member
    April 22, 2017 at 5:08 pm

    Oppss…i knew it. Tween 20 can only solubilize oil in water but not silicone. My mistake, sorry about it. 

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