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Collagen INCI naming question
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What is the NICI Name for collagen type 1, 3 -
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Collagen per se has little function in a cosmetic product as it is effectively insoluble in any of the materials used in cosmetic products. It is thus not used.
Hyrolysed collagen is used as it is soluble in water but the hydrolysis process destroy any identity it may have had in regard to it being type 1, 2, 3, or any other classification.
The INCI name for the material is hydrolysed collagen. Hydrolysed collagen is also termed gelatin (or gelatine) but this naming is more common in the food industry.
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Thank you so much for responding. What I really want to know if the drinking collagen is actually working? And I’m looking for collagen 1,3 in the products. But did not know the name of it . That’s why I asked.
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What do you mean by “working”? What do you hope drinking collagen will do?
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Collagen is not soluble in water and because of this, it is not drinkable.
Collagen drinks invariably contain hydrolysed collagen - that is collagen which has been treated with acid or alkali or proteolytic enzymes to break down the high molecular weight insoluble protein into smaller molecules which are soluble in water. This progresses: collagen > gelatin > peptides > amino acids.
Don’t be too influenced by marketing hype. People are making a lot of money by renaming quite common biological materials as something special.
I noticed that one of the “collagens” has a revealing description as to its constitution see http://skinade.com/the-science#the-collagen-in-skinade
Hydrolysed fish skin (more or less what makes up Skinade) used to act as glue in bookbinding.
You should also be aware that INCI applies to cosmetics products only.
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Wow. Its great to get unbias opinion. What a coincident that mention skinnade. They sent me the collagen drink to test out. I read the description and I thought its too good to be true.
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Perry, Lot of company saying that drinking collagen will help with the skin hydration and skin firmness. By drinking it we hope to age gracefully.
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@tai961 these companies seem to have confused drinking collagen with injecting it
one can only hope that for their own sake, they don’t inject fruit juice instead of drinking it
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There is little evidence that drinking collagen has any effect. The one study published was done by scientists evaluating a product called Verisol.
The results were interesting but the study hasn’t been repeated. I’m not swayed by a single, unrepeated study. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Certainly, more study is worth doing but I’m not ready to jump on board and tell anyone to start drinking collagen to improve their skin.
If you look through the Verisol study, while the results are significant they report a 7.2% reduction in eye wrinkle volume and 20% reduction at 8 weeks. That may be statistically significant but does it matter? There is a difference between mathematical significance and real world significance.
If you read the study, there are questions about the results of the placebo group in which their wrinkles increased and then decreased during the regression phase. This isn’t adequately explained. It demonstrates more study is needed before reaching any conclusion.
Relevant: http://www.emaxhealth.com/8782/study-shows-anti-wrinkle-collagen-pill-really-works
Actual study: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7qo443j64oai3ph/collagen-ingestion-study.pdf?dl=0
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As I have intimated earlier, gelatin(e) is hydrolysed collagen.
I can see no point in paying $$$$$ or £££££ or €€€€€ for these products when you can go into the local sweetshop/candystore or foodstore and buy almost infinite amounts of gelatin(e) containing foods at comparatively very low prices.
You could also apply it to the face as a temporary antiwrinkle treatment (see another recent thread).
Cynical? Moi?
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Wowww. Love the responded from you guys. Thank you
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Why don’t we add gelatine to shampoo, then?
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Why don’t we add gelatine to shampoo, then?
What would be your proposed purpose of gelatine in a shampoo (apart from forming a jelly)?
Hydrolysed proteins had already been used in hair products for a very long time. The original “Silvikrin” was a peptide and amino acid mixture made by the hydrolysis of keratin (a protein very closely related to collagen) obtained in the early products from rabbit fur.
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Exactly. If gelatine is hydrolysed collagen why isn’t it used in shampoo just as hydrolysed keratin or silk or wheat proteins are? Curious.
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@tai961 -If I were you I’d drink a beer instead.
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PETA…
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@David I do. <span>:smiley:</span>
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Remember that hydrolysed collagen (isinglass is made from swim bladders of fish - supposedly sturgeon) and gelatine are used in brewing as fining agents.
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