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  • Citric Acid causing emulsion to break up?

    Posted by Berry_8 on January 6, 2023 at 8:25 pm

    I’m formulating a body butter with a brand new (to me) emulsifier, Polyglyceryl-3 Methylglucose Distearate, and am experiencing something i’ve never seen before. Everything looks amazing, very smooth and glossy and perfect, up until I add the first drop of citric acid at the end, at which point the emulsion appears to be breaking up. With continued mixing it goes back to looking normal but then after checking on it in a couple days it is not as smooth and glossy as it was and i’m afraid it is becoming unstable. I suspect it is this new emulsifier because it is the only ingredient in this formula that i am using for the very first time. 

    I am using 23% oils plus my emulsifiers which are:

    3% Polyglyceryl-3 Methylglucose Distearate
    0.5% Sepimax Zen
    0.5% Sepinov EMT 10
    1.5% Cetyl
    1.5% Cetearyl

    Other ingredients in the formula are are:

    TSGD
    Glycerin
    Propanediol
    Tocopherol
    Hyaluronic Acid
    Hexanediol
    Caprylyl Glycol
    Pentylene Glycol
    Phenoxyethanol
    Ethylhexylglcyerin

    The above are all used at pretty standard amounts, nothing crazy. I lowered ph from 7.5 to 5.6 but the weirdness started with just a single drop of citric.

    Any idea why citric acid would be causing issues here? Do i need to use another acid? Or another emulsifier?

    Thanks for any input.

    Abdullah replied 1 year, 11 months ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 6, 2023 at 8:43 pm

    Why are you adjusting at the end…other that a final look/tweak?  What happened to adjust as you go, which eliminates the ’emulsifier shock’?

    Once your water phase is complete….get it close (you may not need further adjustment…but double check).

    You can always try lactic….but shocking your emulsion at the end…is never good.

    You might consider a little anionic…like GSC or SSG to strengthen the emulsion.  I have been working on one recently…and it is touch as nails… PG-6-DS / sucrose esters-stearate / GMS and SSG.

    You can also try watering down your acid….where you use twice as much…but not as shocking of an entry.  But….I suspect you should build a stronger emulsion.

  • Berry_8

    Member
    January 6, 2023 at 9:23 pm

    Why are you adjusting at the end…other that a final look/tweak?  

    Because I am an amateur and didn’t think to do it any other way! 

    From now on I will definitely stop waiting until the end to adjust my ph. Thanks for the tip. 

    Do you think I could just add a little more EMT 10 instead of GSC or SSG? I don’t believe I have those on hand right now. 

  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 6, 2023 at 10:15 pm

    Berry_8 said:

    Why are you adjusting at the end…other that a final look/tweak?  

    Do you think I could just add a little more EMT 10 instead of GSC or SSG? I don’t believe I have those on hand right now. 

    No.

    Even though considered anionic….not the same effect. Same with the anionic gums.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    January 7, 2023 at 8:57 am

    Do you also make cleansing Products? 

    What anionic surfactants do you use?

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