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  • Citric acid as a chelator

    Posted by Margaret on January 5, 2024 at 3:12 pm

    I have not been able to find an answer to THIS particular question, so I shall ask it:

    How does one use citric acid as a chelator? That is, would you make a 50% solution and then use a certain % in your emulsion?

    I wish to use citric acid in my skin lotion & skin cream.

    I use 0.3% xanthan gum in my lotion & cream, in case that matters…

    LeonB replied 10 months, 1 week ago 4 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 5, 2024 at 4:18 pm

    I am no expert!!!!!! … but this one kinda reminds me of a lot of the lore one sees on the net on various topics. Is citric acid a chelate…Yes. Is it your best option, most of the time… No. But people just hear that it is a chelate….and that is good enough for them…..details….who cares about those. ????

    The reason EDTA or GLDA gets used in its place professionally, is they are more effective across a range of pH’s and against a wide slate of metals. Does citric match this…..generally no.

    It is my understanding that to be highly effective, it needs to have a very specific molar ratio. All this tweaking of ratios…and your target pH will be all over the board.

    Use edta or GLDA….and Done!

    Are Citric Acid-Iron II Complexes True Chelates or Just Physical Mixtures and How to Prove This? - PMC (nih.gov)

    • Margaret

      Member
      January 5, 2024 at 5:32 pm

      I have no source to buy disodium EDTA anymore. The repackers have STOPPED carrying it. I also canNOT buy the GLDA, and I’ve forgotten what GLDA is short for. I’m sure it’ll come to me as I try to fall asleep, har har. However, I’m pretty sure I canNOT buy that either.

      I do not trust the repacker selling the sodium phytate here in Canada, and ordering this from the U.S. is $$$$, plus there’s a chance the border inspectors will open the box and charge me $10 (or more now?) for opening the box (customs fee).

      I DO have citric acid, so I was hoping I could use that.

      Our water here is VERY VERY soft. However, I know from people on this forum that using a chelator even if using distilled water is a good idea because the chelator(s) can enhance a preservative’s effectiveness (or efficacy, if that’s the correct term here).

  • Graillotion

    Member
    January 5, 2024 at 8:04 pm
    • Camel

      Member
      January 8, 2024 at 10:41 am

      Hi @Graillotion

      Is GLDA considered a truly effective alternative to EDTA or is EDTA superior in performance? I’ve noticed EDTA is much more commonly used in commercial products, but I’m wondering if that’s more about cost rather than performance.

      Thank you!

      • Graillotion

        Member
        January 8, 2024 at 11:08 am

        EDTA is king. GLDA is best alternative if chasing the bio-degradable crowd.

        • Camel

          Member
          January 8, 2024 at 11:21 am

          I had a feeling that would be the case. Thanks again!

  • LeonB

    Member
    January 10, 2024 at 1:49 am

    When formulation cosmetics - it is very important to have purified water, meaning you will not need a chelating agent because you don’t need the chelate Calcium and Magnesium ions. In regards to Xanthum Gum - note over time how the feel of the product becomes (you will probably note that it is sticky), I use Carbomers in my creams and neutralize it to add viscosity. Your oil phase should also kick up the viscosity - i.e. increasing Stearic acid as example (hot mix cream) will increase your viscosity.

  • LeonB

    Member
    January 10, 2024 at 2:40 am

    Thank you, I enjoyed your comment - NS should the preservative in the lotion not take care of pathogens?

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