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  • Carbomer 940 gel liquified

    Posted by omer on January 7, 2021 at 8:54 am

    I made gel for methyl ester in 40% ethanol using carbomer 940, ph 7.2
    After 1 month the gel turn liquid. 
    No significant ph change observed. 
    What could be the reson and solution. 
    Buffer?

    Also i tried to change the gelling agebt and used hpmc but i gives dryout layer. 

    Any suggestions for the carbomer. 
    And if i want to change the geeling agent, any suggestions 
    Thanks

    Benz3ne replied 3 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    January 8, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    @omer are you referring to soy methyl esters? Depending on how much you used, and how much %water, that likely dissolved/disrupted the cross-links in the Carbopol. Try using Acrylates Copolymer or another acrylic copolymer compatible with ethanol and see what happens. 

  • omer

    Member
    January 11, 2021 at 9:42 pm

    @chemicalmatt
    I am referring to conventional methyl ester. 
    I used cellulose ether based gelling agent but i give bad after application effect.
    I don’t have many gelling agents choices. 
    So i am looking to solve the problem if possible. 
    What i am thinking about is:
    Use buffer ph 6_7(unfortunately carbomer 940 electrolytes senstive) 
    Looking for suggestions 

  • Andraous

    Member
    January 12, 2021 at 8:29 pm

    Try carbopol ultrez 21 @ 0.3%+0.1 AMP95 or TEA
    AND YOU WILL BE SATISFIED 

  • omer

    Member
    January 13, 2021 at 7:55 am

    Thanks Androus, 
    Will try as soon as get it

  • Benz3ne

    Member
    January 13, 2021 at 11:32 am

    omer said:

    @chemicalmatt
    I am referring to conventional methyl ester. 
    I used cellulose ether based gelling agent but i give bad after application effect.
    I don’t have many gelling agents choices. 
    So i am looking to solve the problem if possible. 
    What i am thinking about is:
    Use buffer ph 6_7(unfortunately carbomer 940 electrolytes senstive) 
    Looking for suggestions 

    Which conventional methyl ester? 
    How are you neutralising the carbomer? It should be controllable to around pH 6-7 fairly easily with TEA at 40% ethanol.
    I agree that it is electrolytes sensitive, which is not ideal, but it is manageable.

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