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  • BTMS 50 in beard oil and beard balm

    Posted by BeardlyGentlemen on September 15, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    Hello everyone, I’m new here, I have the following question for you, met some that are added to the beard oils and beard balm of BTMS 50, I would like to understand for what purpose this is done, what additional effect it gives, and what percentage is better to add to these products. Thanks for any help.

    BeardlyGentlemen replied 6 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Microformulation

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    September 15, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    How much research have you done already?
    No offense and it is my opinion only, I am resisting just giving single pointed answers on Formulas, especially those which can be easily answered in the manufacturer’s documents. At a certain point, you are really asking questions that become paid work for most of us.
    “Feed a Man a fish…” and all that.
    Just one click brought me here to the same product from another manufacturer and links to 10’s of pages of guidance. https://www.ulprospector.com/en/na/PersonalCare/Detail/1483/52232/VARISOFT-BTMS-Pellets?st=1
    If this causes some agitation, keep this in mind. YOU are responsible for any adverse conditions or negative effects from your project. Usually Chemist would be used to mitigate the liability, but in this case, you are taking on 100% of this liability on your own. Should the worse case scenario occur (possible but not probable to be honest), the Attorney’s will ask you what you did to mitigate the liability. At least you should be able to say that you made yourself aware of the risks, benefits, and use of all your raw materials. Someone in your organization has to do this.
  • BeardlyGentlemen

    Member
    September 15, 2018 at 4:48 pm
    As I said before - I’m a beginner and just study it all. For your understanding: I am at the very beginning of the journey, and have not even taken the first step in my long journey. I can not find information on the Internet since you find it you have certain experience and are conditioned by your work.
    I thought here the forum is conscious to help both the professional and the novice. But apparently newcomers here are not happy …
    It was nice to talk, good luck.
  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 15, 2018 at 5:22 pm
    Come on. Your petulance is silly. What was said was that you would get more out of a comprehensive study of the materials instead of throwing out questions piecemeal. Do you know why many of us are not novices? Simply because 15-20-30 years ago, we engaged in the study of the raw materials.
    If someone suggests that you do your own research, they are doing you a favor. Giving out random bits of information is short-sighted as it avoids the fundamentals.  What materials can this be used with? Would it work with an anionic surfactant? I could throw out 30 questions about the material, 29 of them from the manufacturer’s documentation.
    If you insist on just the surface trivial knowledge of the materials, it will hamper your growth of a line. You are producing a product with this material and YOU assume all the liability. Either use a trained Chemist or TRAIN yourself.
    All this may sound harsh, but it is the best advice anyone can give you at this point.
  • Gunther

    Member
    September 15, 2018 at 5:29 pm

    Simply put BTMS-50 is both a conditioner and an emulsifier

    It conditions hair on its own.
    Please Google about conditioners and cationics (BTMS-50 is cationic).
    Also about fatty alcohols (which BTMS-50 comprises) and conditioning.

    It also can emulsify oils and silicones.
    Please Google about oils, silicones and their effect on hair.
    Please stick to scientific papers, as you’d find lots of pseudoscientific info needlessly bashing silicones.

  • BeardlyGentlemen

    Member
    September 15, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    Microformulation I really appreciate your answers, maybe I was harsh in the last answer, I’m just very interested when I read new information, and reading various articles I do not understand what components what components decided to ask from experienced chemists for their own further development, I agree with you about what it is necessary to read research articles. I do it as I find it, I live in a Russian-speaking country, and our browsers block many foreign sites, which complicates my training. Please do not take for cunning as you think stupid questions. I just want to get some more information for future experiments.

  • BeardlyGentlemen

    Member
    September 15, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    Gunther To you too, many thanks for the answer, I will try to find more information of a research nature.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 17, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    Formulator Sample Shop (http://www.formulatorsampleshop.com/) has a starting beard oil formulation (contact them and ask for it) that is superior to what you have already.

  • Gunther

    Member
    September 19, 2018 at 3:18 am

    @Microformulation where to find formulations in the formulatorsampleshop website?
    I got lost and found no formulations.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 19, 2018 at 3:35 am
    About a third of the way down;
  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 19, 2018 at 3:37 am

    On many of the product pages, they have Formulas listed. They also will send you other available Formulations if you contact them.

  • BeardlyGentlemen

    Member
    September 25, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Microformulation Thank you.

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