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  • Best conditionner for 2 in 1 shampoo

    Posted by Fekher on February 27, 2025 at 10:55 am

    I want to add the best conditionner effect in my 2 in 1 shampoo and i have access to :

    1)Guar hptc

    2)BTAC (<b style=”font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: var(-bb-body-text-color);”>Behentrimonium chloride)

    3) polyquaternium 7

    4) Cetrimonium Chloride

    5)hydroxyethyl laurdimonium chloride

    6) Polyquaternium 39

    7) peg 7 glyceryl cocoate

    8) Lauryl glucoside (supposed that it is not conditionner however in practise it gives me lovely conditionner effect)

    Abdullah replied 3 weeks, 4 days ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Fedaro

    DIY formulator
    February 27, 2025 at 12:12 pm

    From those options, I would recommend Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride. There is a reason it is used in the majority of the best-selling commercial shampoos, like Pantene, Dove, Tresemme, Garnier, and Suave.

  • Fekher

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    February 27, 2025 at 12:27 pm

    Soo logic , just i see even in forum some complain about the needed process to dissolve it.

  • Fekher

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    March 5, 2025 at 1:59 am

    @Abdullah @Paprik @Fedaro @ozgirl @chemicalmatt @Cafe33 @Perry44

    Actually in laboratory best resultats was given by pq 39 , pq 7, lauryl glucoside and guar cationic . Just should work on the adequat level .
    Any add or comment?

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  Fekher.
  • ketchito

    Member
    March 5, 2025 at 5:14 am

    Which equipmente are you using to measure conditioning in your lab? Cationic polymers are kings to deliver softeness and frizz control in shampoos due to their coacervation properties. This has been tested many times. Cationic surfactants can also be a good addition if you’re able to form a gel phase and not a precipitate (in case you’re using an anionic surfactant). Emollients like peg-7 glyceryl cocoate could deliver some conditioning mainly in the presence of a coacervate that help them deposit. Lauryl glucoside is a surfactant, so I wouldn’t expect to compare to the conditioning agents in objective tests.

    • Fekher

      Professional Chemist / Formulator
      March 5, 2025 at 5:33 am

      Conditioning (we fixed as feeling sliky and soft) so it is “mesured” by sensory evaluation for skin and hair by many users and all said the same thing . I know that Lauryl glucoside supposed not conditionner however in my formulation it makes superior conditioning effect compairing to peg-7 glyceryl cocoate used in same level .

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 5, 2025 at 3:48 pm

    Depends that what is already in your formula and how much is it.

    I also like GHPTC

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