Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Aloe Vera Gel

  • ngarayeva001

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    October 26, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    I guess you are talking about solvents. Water is the most common solvent. Propylene Glycol and Ethanol are also solvents. I don’t think aloe needs anything but water to be honest.

  • AmitKaria

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    October 26, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    I guess you are talking about solvents. Water is the most common solvent. Propylene Glycol and Ethanol are also solvents. I don’t think aloe needs anything but water to be honest.

    I agree, why dilute further when already Aloe Vera is mostly water.

  • Fekher

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    October 26, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @ngarayeva001 actually i’am not talking about solvent i meant it when i said solublizer , solublizer is ingredient used to dissove other ingredient which is not soluble or has bad solubility in solvent i wish that difference between solublizer and solvent is clear  also solvent has important % in Lol however solubilizer has lower % .  “Almost problem of transperency return to bad solubility wich means our solvent is not good enough to dissove desired ingredient where the need of solubilizers”.

  • AmitKaria

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    October 26, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Fekher said:

    @ngarayeva001 actually i’am not talking about solvent i meant it when i said solublizer , solublizer is ingredient used to dissove other ingredient which is not soluble or has bad solubility in solvent i wish that difference between solublizer and solvent is clear  also solvent has important % in Lol however solubilizer has lower % .  “Almost problem of transperency return to bad solubility wich means our solvent is not good enough to dissove desired ingredient”.

    I get what you saying, but it would be better for me to find a thickener which would dissolve in Aloe solution without haziness then add another ingredient to make it clear or help in solubilizing so that it becomes clear…it is a matter of trying to maintain purity of the final product without too many additives.

  • Doreen

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    October 29, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Oh bummer :disappointed: I’ve just bought Ultrez 30, doesn’t sound promising…

    Btw, does anyone have experience with Tego Carbomer 141 (Evonik)?

  • ngarayeva001

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    October 30, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    @Doreen, as per my experience, the only polymer that actually tolerates electrolytes is Sepimax Zen. Ultrez 30 works ok without electolytes.

  • Doreen

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    October 31, 2018 at 9:17 am

    @ngarayeva001
    That’s why Zen is my all time favourite! ;)

  • ngarayeva001

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    October 31, 2018 at 9:25 am

    @Doreen
    I agree nothing can beat Zen. By the way! The Ordinary used Zen in all their formulations with low pH or high electrolites (AHA/BHA peel, Salicylic 2%, Lactic 10% etc). They changed it to sodium hyaluronate crosspolymer recently. Do you know what is it? I am very curious because this must be a polymer similar to Zen (but less sticky I suspect).

  • Doreen

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    October 31, 2018 at 9:34 am

    @ngarayeva001
    I hadn’t heard of it either until now. I see Vantage Specialty Products sells it (Hylasome EG10), this is what they say about it:

    “Hylasome® EG10 is a chemically crosslinked hyaluronic acid derived from a non-animal source. It possesses an exceptionally high water-binding capacity resulting in excellent moisturizing abilities. It is also a scavenger of damaging free radicals. Hylasome® EG10 has a unique nonequilibrium gel structure with gel domains that hold tightly bound water. The material forms a film on the skin and delivers this water over time.”

  • shaujaat

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    November 15, 2018 at 10:22 am

    My question is will this gel be remain edible ? or any of these alo gel made from these ingredients are edible ?

  • ngarayeva001

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    November 15, 2018 at 11:35 am

    Carbomer is not edible. If you want an edible gel, use a food grade xantham gum. It’s not the same as a cosmetic grade one.

  • shaujaat

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    November 15, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    but what about all the other ingredients in the gel like TEA and preservatives ? and if we make it through carbopol ? ….  customers often buy expensive alo gel and expect it to be edible and many brand does not lable it as edible or not  

  • ngarayeva001

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    November 15, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    Cosmetic products are not supposed to be edible. You can create a  product that is edible and can also be applied on skin, however, you will end up with not tasty lotion with very poor performance. Carbopol and TEA are definitely not edible. I don’t understand why would consumer expect a cosmetic product to be edible.

  • OldPerry

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    November 15, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    Cosmetics are not meant to be edible. 

  • Christopher

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    November 15, 2018 at 2:12 pm
    @ngarayeva001 Because it implies safety.
    @Perry Regardless, there’s still a market for it and a niche brand could do well in this segment.
  • Doreen

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    November 15, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    Aloe too isn’t edible. I still don’t understand people using Aloe ‘supplements’ for a ‘detox’.  :s
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26986231

  • shaujaat

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    November 16, 2018 at 11:08 am

    @Doreen Aloe meat is edible because in the end it is just a leave :) like Azadirachta indica and many others …. aloe is very effective in joints pain. 

  • ngarayeva001

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    November 16, 2018 at 1:39 pm
  • Doreen

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    November 18, 2018 at 9:43 am

    @shaujaat
    You’re joking I hope?
    Just because it comes from nature doesn’t mean it can’t be toxic!
    Several chemotherapeutics find their origin in nature (paclitaxel, docetaxel, cabazitaxel -> Yew tree, vincristine, vinblastine -> Periwinkle (Catharanthus roseus), to name a few).

    Catharanthus roseus: Quite innocent looking, right?

  • shaujaat

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    November 22, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    yes yes I believe there are negative effects of everything I am not advocating alo in this but people use this herb diet for many reasons, you have to be cautious about the quantity. Like a meat that we eat in daily life but its constant intake can cause medical issues.

    just a google link

    http://www.gracevanberkum.com/yes-you-can-eat-aloe-vera-and-its-a-superfood/

  • Microformulation

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    November 22, 2018 at 5:13 pm
    I would be more convinced with sources that have citations and credentialed authors. In our facility, a blog fails our internal reference standards.
    I think the blog citation is filled with false claims not supported by citations, and the author does not possess the qualifications to present themselves as an expert in this area. Lastly, she is selling products, a potential source of bias.
    This may sound inflexible, but it is important to practice good Scientific method. To wit, look at her claims for Aloe vera (from the citation);
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