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  • Are these preservatives and pH 10 enough for this shampoo?

    Posted by Abdullah on September 7, 2025 at 4:00 am

    This is my shampoo formula

    Active ingredient

    SLS 3.5%

    SLE2S 4%

    CAPB 1.5%

    Cationic guar 0.2%

    Amodimethicone micro emulsion 1%

    EDTA 0.2%

    Nacl 1%

    CMI MI 2.8ppm

    Formaline 0.02%

    Citric acid 0.01%

    I want to make a version of this shampoo at final pH 10 strongly buffered.

    Package is 500ml flip-top bottle.


    Is this preservative system and pH 10 enough for preservation?

    Abdullah replied 6 hours, 18 minutes ago 2 Members · 4 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    September 7, 2025 at 4:17 am

    I doubt you’ll have a micro problem but why buffered pH 10? Drop the CMIT - it’s not stable at pH 10 - EDTA/Formaldehyde/alkaline pH are uniquely effective and you’re not going to find too many bugs happy with the pH.

    BUT buffered at pH 10 - risks substantial hair damage.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ics.13029

    • Abdullah

      Entrepreneur
      September 7, 2025 at 8:09 am

      Thanks.

      I was using these preservatives at my other product at pH 6.

      I thought adding them to this high pH shampoo will do a quick kill of existing bugs that are introduced during production and before the preservatives loss there effectiveness. what do you think about this idea?

      Also formaline is 0.02%. will be effective alone without CMI MI at that small amount?

      For high pH shampoo, it would be in contact with hair for ~1 minute and then rinsed with water which has pH ~7. So in that 1 minute, would it matter if it is pH 4, 6 or 10?

      • PhilGeis

        Member
        September 7, 2025 at 12:58 pm

        0.02% formalin - 74 ppm formaldehyde at high pH and EDTA -this is prob good enough.

        Objective if preservation is to protect consumers - CMIT will be long gone. If buggy ingredients get some good stuff.

        I’d not be confident that rinsing will prevent damage.

        • Abdullah

          Entrepreneur
          September 7, 2025 at 9:09 pm

          I don’t have full access to the document. Was it about high pH leave on product or rinse off product like shampoo?

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