Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Formulators! What do you think of this curl gel formula?

  • Onur

    Member
    July 23, 2025 at 11:53 pm

    You’re using various gellants that work at different environments. Pick one, I’d suggest cationic gellants like Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride in hair products. Or a non-ionic one if you need to use a quaternium resin.

    That’s too much Aloe Vera, it’s a claims ingredient, so is Panthenol, lower them to 0.10%. No benefit of sorbitol here, either. It will only make the product sticky.

    I’d use pqt-7 instead of pqt-10 in leave-in products but that’s a personal choice.

    Preservation could be better. Try Phenoxyethanol & EHG duo.

    • hadylhgn

      Pharmacist
      July 24, 2025 at 5:10 am

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”>Comme il s’agit d’un gel définissant les boucles, à la fois hydratant et fixant, spécialement conçu pour les cheveux bouclés de types 2C à 4A, je préfère utiliser du Polyquaternium-11 plutôt que du PQ-10 ou du PQ-7.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”> Le PQ-11 offre un effet filmogène plus puissant qui favorise la tenue des boucles et le contrôle des frisottis, contrairement aux deux autres. Pour le soin,</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”> j’utilise du chlorure d’hydroxypropyltrimonium de guar, qui apporte douceur et maniabilité aux cheveux avec un faible taux d’inclusion. Cela dit, je me demande si le guar peut être remplacé par la gomme xanthane. Je comprends qu’ils n’offrent pas les mêmes bienfaits revitalisants, mais la gomme xanthane serait-elle une option viable en termes de texture et de viscosité ? </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”>Je suis d’accord avec votre suggestion concernant l’extrait d’aloe vera et le panthénol : je vais réduire les deux à 0,1 %, car leurs bienfaits à des concentrations plus élevées sont minimes dans un gel sans rinçage et il s’agit principalement d’arguments marketing.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”> J’ai également décidé de supprimer le sorbitol de la formule, mais ce faisant, je me demande si je dois maintenir la glycérine à 1 % ou l’augmenter à 3 % pour conserver une bonne fonction humectante, sans effet collant ni frisottis en milieu humide. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”>Concernant le système gélifiant, comme l’HEC est plus facilement disponible localement qu’AquaStyle SH-100, que pensez-vous de l’association des deux ? </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”>Mon idée est d’utiliser l’HEC pour la viscosité et la texture onctueuse, tandis qu’AquaStyle SH-100 assure la filmogénicité et la tenue, avec le soutien du PQ-11. </font></font></font></font></font></font>

      <font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”><font style=”vertical-align: inherit;”>J’aimerais connaître votre avis sur cette association.</font></font></font></font></font></font>

      • This reply was modified 15 hours, 2 minutes ago by  hadylhgn.
    • hadylhgn

      Pharmacist
      July 24, 2025 at 8:55 am

      Since this is a curl-defining gel aimed at both hydration and hold, specifically designed for curly hair types 2C to 4A, I prefer using Polyquaternium-11 over PQ-10 or PQ-7.

      PQ-11 offers a stronger film-forming effect that helps with curl hold and frizz control, which the other two don’t provide as effectively.

      For the conditioning aspect, I’m relying on Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, which adds softness and manageability to the hair at a low inclusion rate.

      That said, I was wondering if Guar could be replaced with Xanthan Gum. I understand they don’t offer the same conditioning benefits, but would xanthan be a viable option in terms of texture and viscosity?

      I agree with your suggestion regarding Aloe Vera extract and Panthenol — I’ll reduce both to 0.1%, since their benefits at higher concentrations are minimal in a leave-in gel and they’re mainly marketing claims.

      I also decided to remove Sorbitol from the formula, but in doing so, I’m wondering whether I should keep Glycerin at 1% or increase it to 3% to maintain proper humectant function, without causing stickiness or frizz in humid environments.

      As for the gelling system, since HEC is more readily available locally than AquaStyle SH-100, what do you think about combining both?
      My idea is to use HEC for viscosity and smooth texture, while AquaStyle SH-100 provides film-forming and hold, supported by PQ-11.

      Would love your thoughts on this combination.

      • Onur

        Member
        July 24, 2025 at 3:14 pm

        If you like the texture of the final product, use whatever you like. No strict rules. But a few things could be adjusted to make it shine.

        If you think pqt-11 gives you enough holding and thickness, why use another gellant? Increase it until you like the viscosity. Not saying you can’t use two or more rheology agents but they often compete with each other and gets easily out of control. Never been a fan of Xanthan gum, I like HEC, though. You can even try PVP/PVA if you better holding strength.

        There’s really no need of glycerin here. It’s a wonder product to hydrate the skin and the scalp but hair strands just don’t work the same way. You don’t need to attract water to hair, that’s what makes it frizzy and chalky. Remove glycerin and sorbitol, add HEC or Guar Hydroxy and inceease the pqt-11 (it doesn’t dissolve easily, does it?) and play with the numbers until you’re happy with it.

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