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  • Shampoo Preservation Help

    Posted by phil92 on August 19, 2024 at 9:57 am

    Hello, I’m in the process of submitting some samples for PET and Stability testing. I’ve conducted some tests in-house and feel like I’m on the clear here. But would love to hear from the group if you feel that the preservation in this formula is strong? (formula Below)

    I had one sample in which I was at .8% Optiphen Plus and .15 Sodium Phytate that developed Microbial growth after a month (rancid smell).. Thought it was odd. Upped the Optiphen Plus to 1% and sodium Phytate to .25%

    Appreciate the help!

    Water - 60.0

    Glycerin - 4

    Honeyquat - 0.75

    Hydrolyzed Rice Protein - 0.75

    Saccharide Isomerate - 0.20

    Dl-Panthenol - 1

    Yeast Amino Acids - 1.0

    Polyquaternium-10 - 0.30

    Sodium Phytate - 0.25

    Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate (80% active) - 9.0

    Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine (50% active) - 12.0

    Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate (30%) - 4

    PEG-120 methyl glucose dioleate, methyl gluceth-10 - 2.0

    PEG 7 - 2.5

    Essential oil Blend - 0.80

    Optiphen Plus - 1.00

    Citric Acid - 0.1

    phil92 replied 2 months, 4 weeks ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    August 19, 2024 at 1:01 pm

    pH?

    • phil92

      Member
      August 19, 2024 at 2:19 pm

      5.5 !

      • Perry44

        Administrator
        August 19, 2024 at 2:57 pm

        I would think to be safe you should keep the pH below 5.0 since Sorbic acid doesn’t work particularly well above 5

  • phil92

    Member
    August 19, 2024 at 3:23 pm

    I can bring the it down to 5! Anything else?

    I could also go up on the optiphen plus slightly to be safe?

    In the past I’ve used tetrasodium glutamate diacetate as a chelating agent but it really messed with the viscosity in this formula, so I brought in sodium phytate to replace it, I know it’s not as effective, but I would imagine that with the optiphen at 1% and sodium phytate at .25% I’m good?

    Thanks!

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    August 19, 2024 at 6:24 pm

    Incremental change will not buy much. Why can’t you use CMIT and EDTA?

    • phil92

      Member
      August 19, 2024 at 7:01 pm

      Looking for a natural alternative here.

      • PhilGeis

        Member
        August 20, 2024 at 6:26 am

        Please Phil. Phenoxy and cap glycol are not natural , commercial sorbate is synthetic and formula 95%+ synthetic.

        To your question - the levels you had should have worked and incremental increases are unlikely to make a difference. Please track down why you had apparent contamination - poor water quality, contaminated raw material, failed making hygiene, something.

        • phil92

          Member
          August 20, 2024 at 7:42 am

          Ya, I wanted to have some extra eyes on the formula to make sure I wasn’t missing anything there. I’m trying to recreate the problem, and trying to get to the bottom of what happened in the process for it to get contaminated. Thanks for your help

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