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  • Lamellar structure thins shampoo but thickens cream

    Posted by zetein on June 7, 2022 at 4:36 am
    Too much salt makes worm-like micelles go lamellar, and shampoo becomes thin.
    However, in creams/emulsions the same structure thickens the system.
    Why two different results?
    OldPerry replied 2 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 7, 2022 at 5:22 am

    “Too much salt makes worm-like micelles go lamellar, and shampoo becomes thin.”do  you have the source?

  • jemolian

    Member
    June 7, 2022 at 9:29 am

    @Abdullah seems like it’s a description for salt thickening and the salt curve. 

  • ketchito

    Member
    June 7, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    @zetein After the big peak in viscosity for SLES, what you see is that the giant worm-like micelles are being broken into smaller rods, that’s why the decrease in viscosity. Not sure though if they can further be reformed into a lamellar conformation, since the packing of anionics is not precisely convenient for such ordered and tight structure. 

  • OldPerry

    Member
    June 7, 2022 at 2:38 pm

    Colloidal solutions are complicated systems which can take on most any of the defined conformations. You would have to do a phase diagram to determine what the prevalent structures are of any given system. Each system is different

    Basically, it’s complicated. 

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