Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Serum vs Alcohol-free toner

  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    July 22, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Yes, the presence of a thickener in the first one. These all are marketing terms. Same about essences, elixirs, and other fancy terms. 

  • JonahRay

    Member
    July 22, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Its more a consumer perception thing. They can be formulated any way you please. You just have to pay attention to what the consumer expects which for toner is something much more liquid designed as more of a preparatory step before the remaining steps of a skincare routine.

  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    July 22, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    If you have actives that you want to use but they break carbomer, use them in toner.

  • paoloferino

    Member
    July 23, 2019 at 12:53 am

    Yes, the presence of a thickener in the first one. These all are marketing terms. Same about essences, elixirs, and other fancy terms. 

    Thank you for the information. I’ve read this article that serum functions as a “booster”. Meaning it contains more on actives. Your inputs will be noted. But can I use xanthan gum instead of carbomer in serum? 

    @JonahRay
    I’m from the Philippines. Consumers are looking for a toner or should I say cleansing agent that does not contain any alcohol. My bench mark is attached to this post. 

  • MarkBroussard

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    July 23, 2019 at 10:23 am

    @paoloferino

    You can pretty much use any thickener you want in a Serum … gums, cellulosics, hyaluronic acid, carbomer and other thickening polymers … it’s all a function of the cost & texture profile you want.  “Serums” generally contain a small number of ingredients in high concentrations and are thickened up.  Yes, the are marketed as boosters.

    A “Toner” is generally astringent-based, such as Witch Hazel, with other ingredients that “tone” the skin, are water-thin and also contain hydrating ingredients, skin brightening ingredients and the like.

    These are marketing terms, but consumers have baked in their minds, the above differences between products marketed as serums and toners.

  • ngarayeva001

    Member
    July 23, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    By the way if your market is more influenced by the Asian rather than European (French) trends, a toner can be slightly thickened as well. Example:

    https://www.yesstyle.com/en/earths-recipes-energy-boosting-toner-160ml-160ml/info.html/pid.1069824160

  • paoloferino

    Member
    July 24, 2019 at 12:49 am

    @paoloferino

    You can pretty much use any thickener you want in a Serum … gums, cellulosics, hyaluronic acid, carbomer and other thickening polymers … it’s all a function of the cost & texture profile you want.  “Serums” generally contain a small number of ingredients in high concentrations and are thickened up.  Yes, the are marketed as boosters.

    A “Toner” is generally astringent-based, such as Witch Hazel, with other ingredients that “tone” the skin, are water-thin and also contain hydrating ingredients, skin brightening ingredients and the like.

    These are marketing terms, but consumers have baked in their minds, the above differences between products marketed as serums and toners.

    Thank you Sir @MarkBroussard. This will be a great help. :) 

  • paoloferino

    Member
    July 24, 2019 at 12:54 am

    By the way if your market is more influenced by the Asian rather than European (French) trends, a toner can be slightly thickened as well. Example:

    https://www.yesstyle.com/en/earths-recipes-energy-boosting-toner-160ml-160ml/info.html/pid.1069824160

    This will also be a great help in my formulation. There are so many ingredients but I know this will be effective. Thank you! :) 

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