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beard oil with BTMS-50
i recently made a beard oil that included a conditioning emulisfing wax (BTMS-50). Its feels amazing!! Basically you add all the ingredients in a double boiler and melt everything through. Then I poured the oil in 1 oz glass jars. The next morning I took them to work to print labels and noticed that the oil had clumped up. There were solid bits floati g around and was very disappointed. How can I keep this all in liquid form? Can I reheat and add something?I would hate to waste so much ingredients ($$$).
8.53g | 34.1% Olive Squalane
1.25g | 5% BTMS-50
5g | 20% Grapeseed oil
5g | 20% Argan oil
5g | 20% Jojoba oilVitamin E Oil: 0.12g | 0.5%
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That wax is dispersible/miscible with the oil components, solubility is not an option in my guess. Best you can do is filter the oil and get rid of the insolubles.
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IMO BTMS-50 is best poured when the other ingredients have warmed up already, to 170 F (70 C)
Pouring it cold leads to tiny clumps.
I don’t know why, and I never read that mentioned anywhere, but my experiments suggest so. -
Did you dissolve the BTMS-50 in oil first?
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@chemnc I prefer to
1 heat water to about 170 F (70 C)
2 pour BTMS
3 stir for 10+ minutes to make sure no mini clumps remain (you can draw a bit with a spoon and watch it under a magnifying glass)
4 for creams: add oils now
5 for conditioners: allow to cool off a bit and add siliconesI believe you can get away with single-pot mixing with BTMS
but I’d rather make sure all BTMS has properly melted and dispersed. -
this is an oil based beard oil. no water. It includes olive squalane, argan oil, grapeseed oil, jojoba oil and BTMS-50. I added all of the ingredients into a small glass Pyrex cup and melted. It got up to about 180 degrees. No bits or anything. Then I poured into containers, next day I saw it all clumped up in the bottom. So a few days later I put the beard oil bottles in a water bath to remelt, but unfortunately it didn’t help, following day I still saw it clumped up.
8.53g | 34.1% Squalane
1.25g | 5% BTMS-50
5g | 20% Grapeseed oil
5g | 20% Argan oil
5g | 20% Jojoba oilVitamin E Oil: 0.12g | 0.5%
I am thinking of straining the beard oil. DO NOT want this to go to waste. Olive Squalane is very expensive!!!
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@gnomebeard, Hi, I tried to make the same beard oil, but the result was not the same as I expected, it just froze, and turned into a solid mass, what could I have done wrong and how to correct this error?
Do you find where problem, sclavan real very expencive. -
BTMS-50 is 50% cetyl alcohol, of course it solidifies. You can’t fix this “error” because it’s not an error.
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@ngarayeva001, Please tell me, I think, to reduce the percentage of BTMS-50, can it help and make the product with liquid oil, or if it’s not difficult tell me what can replace the BTMS-50 in this formulation to get the conditioning effect? Thanks in advance for any help.
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You will not achieve a liquid product with BTMS-50. I can suggest how to make watersoluble, sprayable conditioning product but not oil as I am not aware of existance of oil-soluble quaterniums.
Amodimethicone is what I see in commercial products, however it’s impossible to find the pure version on the DIY market.The best approach to the liquid beard oil would be 20% of Dimethicone, 79.5% of Cyclomethicone and 0.5% of any oil that you want to use as a claim ingredient.
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@ngarayeva001, I find Amodimethicone in store in my country, how i can use him, i must take 99,5% Amodimethicone and 0,5% oil, like this?
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No! First of all, if you find small quantities of pure amodimethicone in your country please give me the link. Amodimethicone is a cationic silicone (with great conditioning properties). Usually it is sold in a form of an emulsion which can’t be added to oil or silicone. So, if you find it, 20% medium weight dimethicone (like 350-500), 2% Amodimethicone, 0.5% of vegetable oil of your choice for claims, cyclomethicone qs. Can be used as consitioning leave in hair serum as well.
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@ngarayeva001, here is link https://xn—-utbcjbgv0e.com.ua, this site on russian, so like i anderstand, formula must be look like: dimeticon - 20%, 2% - amodimeticon, 0,5% - oil, cyclomethicone - 77,5%, and how i can add fragrance. I need preservative?
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From what I understood, they have two varieties and both are watersoluble (this is not pure amodimethicone) which means you can’t use it for this formula. Just skip amodimethicone. You can add any oil-soluble fragrance, such as essential oil. Regarding preservative, it’s not as straighforward as it seems. Some experts believe that you don’t need preservative for an anhydrous system. I know that Perry’s opinion is that any cosmetic product requires preservative. I personally do not add any preservative to an anhydrous silicone based hair detangler for personal use, but don’t quote me on this.
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OMG! These prices are shoking! I wish they have a version of this website in English….
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@ngarayeva001, they make delivery worldwide.
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They sell hydroquinone. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
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@BeardlyGentlemen @ngarayeva001
Use .75% of BTMS-50 and it will stay liquid. During the heating make sure you stir with an overhead stirrer or mini stick blender
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ngarayeva001 said:OMG! These prices are shoking! I wish they have a version of this website in English….
Google translate works just fine with these prices
. These guys are giving stuff away for free in comparison to the prices I am paying in the EU. Unbelievable! I just e-mailed them. Momma is getting some new toys :smiley:
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