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Dragon’s Blood Resin
Hi,
I’m wondering if anyone knows if dragon’s blood resin can for a gel and if so, how can I make it?
Thanks.
Linda -
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1. what is dragon’s blood resin
2. can WHAT? for a gel
- we get too many questions like this with no LOI, no product function, no real information at all. It just wastes everyone’s time. -
I have worked with Dragon’s Blood Extract which is the standardized form of Croton Lechleri Resin Powder in a Hydroglycolic Base.
There is some uncertainty here. “…how can I make it?” If you are asking about making the extract, don’t. It needs to be standardized as does every extract. It is even more so important in this case as the extract is highly colored and even a small amount will have an impact on the appearance of the final product? If you are asking how to make a gel with it, that is easier. It incorporates into a product at less than 40C. You will get little to no guidance on the proper percentage to use, but go as low as possible. As I mentioned, it will greatly impact the final color of the product and at higher levels, the color is less desirable.
@belassi Here is a link to a “sell sheet” from a supplier of this product. It has a good background story and has some ties to your corner of the World. The sell sheet promises multiple wonderful skin benefits, but as it comes from the distributor, I would follow it up with some better references of course. https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1503854.pdf?bs=4674&b=705252&st=1&sl=60976006&crit=a2V5d29yZDpbQ3JvdG9uIExlY2hsZXJpIFJlc2luIFBvd2Rlcl0%3d&k=Croton|Lechleri|Resin|Powder&r=na&ind=personalcare
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Hello and thank you for the replies. My intention was not to waste anyone’s time and I apologize for giving that impression. I made a typo in my question (meant to type “form” and not “for”). All I wanted to know is if dragon’s blood resin extract is gel forming like xanthan gum for instance. And If it is, I was asking how to accomplish making a gel with it. This would be for a cosmetic formulation. Thank you for the reference sheet. I had seen it but it doesn’t offer the information I’m looking for and I will keep searching.
Linda
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I meant to mention it is the powdered form of dragon’s blood that I’m asking about, not the liquid form.
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It would not be a good gel former. It is rather sicky and would be closer to the consistency of molasses. Hardly a positive sensorial.
I did an entire line with the Powdered form as well as the Hydroclycolic extract. Many will not get the reference, but it really reminded me a great deal of benzoin tincture when it was mixed or even if you tried to wash the powder off.
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Thank you Mark. I am trying to make a gel to milk facial cleanser using sucragel and I’d like to give it more texture because the sucragel and oils don’t form a nice gel. I find it sticky and soft. I tried using xanthan gum but the texture really didn’t improve much. Any ideas? Have you worked with sucragel?
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Oh, I see now. Gelled oil using sucragel, should remove oil based make-up, then wash off with water. Sangre de Drago is locally available but I don’t use it myself; Tepezcohuite (Tepex) has similar astringent/wound healing properties.
From your original question it appears you’re not happy with the sensorials of the sucragel. Unfortunately when it comes to gelling an oil, I cannot think of any alternative. The traditional way of making this would be an emulsion, or cream-based product, wouldn’t it?
Initial thoughts: Review the oils being used to see if there are better alternatives. Perhaps esters might be tried. Could this be done hot process and incorporate butter(s)? Add sorbitol? -
I am puzzled that the retail sites are selling Sucragel. I used it early on as I get to try a lot of products before they are widely available. Even with having a direct line to Kinetik’s Technical services, it was not the easiest product to get to work successfully, especially if you subjected it to stability testing. It would often fail months in which in my experience is unusual.
Perhaps more useful are these recent links; https://knowledge.ulprospector.com/8100/pcc-best-water-based-thickeners/
https://knowledge.ulprospector.com/3937/pcc-natural-based-thickeners/?st=31
In addition, I have gelled oils with fumed silica (requires homogenization). Also, you can do an ok job with Candellia Wax in some instances.
@Belassi did touch on something important. Esters perform much better in a make-up remover than just oils. A combination of the two is often used.
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