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  (ask for help) Waterbased pomade

  Posted by adynug on August 28, 2016 at 8:56 am

  Hello, im dont have background in chemist and recently im experimenting on waterbased pomade and failed so many times.
  i want to make product that watersolube,with hold and matte shine.
  last composition that i tried is : 
  
  (50gr batch)
  Phase A
  Water                           : 80%
  Glycerin                        : 5%
  Triethanolamine           : 0.3%

  Phase B
  Stearic acid                  : 4%
  Beeswax (natural)         : 5%
  Extra virgin olive oil      :2%
  Ctearyl alcohol              : 2%

  Phase C

  DMDM Hydantoin         : 1%

  Fragrance oil                : 0.7%

  Heat phase A and B in diffrent mixing bowl -  pour B into A - stir it about 3mins - pour C into it

  Turn out that formula became creamy like lotion and when rubbing it to palm its make palm white,when applying it to hair its make hair wet looking/shiny but no hold and when rinse it with water yes it is watersolube, but the water also became white.

  things that i tried is : 
  - change Beeswax with PEG 8 beeswax
  - change EVOO with PEG 40 HCO
  - Removing stearic acid and ctearyl alcohol with CET-20 (oil water emulsifier failed)

  is there missing ingredients in my formula?
  am i did someting wrong when mixing phase abc?
  any suggestion would be appreciated, thank you in advance.

  johnb replied 8 years, 6 months ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  adynug

  Member

  August 28, 2016 at 5:34 pm

  Sorry for my stupidity, from the start dividing the phase are completely wrong and im not well understanding the properties of my ingredients, i will try re-formulated my phase and ingredients.

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  crisbaysauli

  Member

  September 5, 2016 at 9:14 am

  This looks like a formula for skin moisturizer. Try adding ceteareth-25, PEG-7 glyceryl cocoate and PVP/PMMA crosspolymer to add hold.

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  adynug

  Member

  September 16, 2016 at 6:28 am

  yes,turn out my formula became lotion or cream. Thank you for your suggestion, really appreciate it.

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  johnb

  Member

  September 16, 2016 at 7:02 am

  There doesn’t appear to be enough oily material (non-volatiles) to give a lasting hold.
  Old types (e.g Brylcreem) have a large content of mineral oil.

  Brylcreem declared formula:

  Aqua, Paraffinium Liquidium, Cera Alba, Hydrogenated Rapessed Oil,
  Petrolatum, Glyceryl Stearate, Parfum, Limonene, Linalool, Citral,
  Geraniol, Benzyl Alcohol, Lanolin Alcohol, Calcium Hydroxide, Behenic
  Acid, Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Hydrolyzed
  Wheat Starch

  Note: Limonene, Linalool, Citral,
  Geraniol are part of the perfume.
  Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Hydrolyzed
  Wheat Starch are not part of the original formula.
  I think also that behenic acid replaces stearic acid from the old formula.

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