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Shampoo
Hi Friends
I did shampoo with this recipe10% texapon 70%3% luramide3% betaine1.25% polyquatrnium 101.5% NACL salt2% uberlan 2200the foam so goodbut the problem it did dandruff in hairso what is the material percentage make this problemand what is the solution -
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I don’t think I can help with this unless you explain with much more detail. The shampoo caused dandruff?
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yes it is caused dandruff in hair with Itching in the head
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It may be due to dryness, please use moisturizers.
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like what ? and what it is percentage ? what it is about polyquatarnium 10 ?
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That’s a very disturbing, possibly dangerous result from a shampoo. The answer, I’m afraid, is for you to hire a professional formulator/chemist to formulate a shampoo for you before you hurt someone seriously.
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Unfortunately you have not specified in sufficient detail what is in your shampoo. “Texapon”? There are a dozen surfactants called by that name. What type? “Luramide”? Do you mean Lauramide DEA? Or what? “Betaine” - which betaine? And since I can’t find “Uberlan 2200” with Google I can only assume you mis-spelt it.
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10% Sodium Laureth Sulphate (2EO)
3% luramide DEA3% Cocamidopropyl Betaine1.25% polyquatrnium 101.5% NACL salt2% uberlan 2200 — the material that make spangle in shampoo it is make the shampoo color to become white and not transparent — -
Nothing that should cause problems - except, that “uberlan” - Google finds nothing related to that. Please provide a LINK!
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okbecause luramide made from coconut oil and i am using 3% from it.is my percentage make more oil in hair that cause dandruff ?i am using 100 g olive oil i forgot to write thatuberlan it is dye
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Good grief. I had better tell you now: olive oil causes serious scalp problems. It is well documented.
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do you mean the problem in the using of olive oil?olive oil cause dandruff ?
if it is how can i solve problem of 500 kg of produced shampoo that I have in the tank?
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Web is full of olive oil remedies to treat dry scalp and dandruff. BUT:
http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1308503I put 0.1% olive oil in my shampoo only for label appeal, due to I am living in an olive oil production region.
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@ehmod: I hate to tell you this but I have read documents, possibly in pubMed, I can’t recall, you will have to search. What I read, was that oleic acid causes severe damage to the scalp, actually causing the loss of hair in clumps attached to greasy scalp scales. Olive oil is the triglyceride and also causes scalp damage to a somewhat less aggressive degree. Your result appears to confirm this.
As to how to remove olive oil dissolved in a surfactant? Unsurprisingly this is not something commonly encountered. I honestly don’t know. I would have to begin by simultaneously researching on the Web and also doing small scale experiments. EG if I saturate with sodium chloride can I knockout the surfactancy and force the oil to separate out? But then how do I get rid of the salt? And so on. To be honest I suspect you are faced with disposing safely of that whole batch.You know, all this could have been avoided if you had done what Bob suggested, that is to say, consult a professional. I would have told you in a heartbeat not to add olive oil to any hair product. -
saturated fatty acids likely encourage Malassezia overgrowth and excess unsaturated fatty acids may induce inflammation and scaling.
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Thinking about it, you might be able to use something like TEA to emulsify the oil.
I still have a nagging doubt. This “dye”, how come I can’t find it using a search engine? You’ve got a mystery material at 2%… what exactly is that and what is the INCI name for it? -
Maybe its a pearlizer? Like ethylene glycol distearate.
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In fact, olive oil may worsens the existing dandruff, but does not cause it. Even oleic acid can induce the problem only in dandruff-prone individuals. A comprehensive review:
http://cmr.asm.org/content/25/1/106.full
https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Malassezia_and_Human_Skin_Diseases -
Is he referring to Euperlan, the BASF line of pearlizers? I know there is a Euperlan PK 2200 product although I haven’t seen it in years.
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Yes, must be Euperlan. Well spotted! Contains coco glucoside … I have already reported that I believe that coco glucoside may cause allergic reactions. And with the olive oil as well? Not surprised there’s a problem,
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The Olive oil in shampoos generally isn’t an issue when designed correctly. As we all know, significant levels of oils in a shampoo are not the way to go. Even if any remains after the surfactant is rinsed out, this would lead to very negative aesthetics (greasy hair). That is generally why when the oils are used at a low level for “label claim.” I have heard this question addressed in seminars and the feeling is that with the short period of exposure and limited level of exposure that any negative effect would be greatly blunted. Honestly, I have heard little to no other sources report on significant irritation with the APG’s, but I am certainly keeping an ear out for additional adverse incidents.
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Thank you allI am sorry because i didn’t write Euperlan well.I used this material I got it from raw material supplierEuperlan® PK 771 Benz is a cold-processable, pasty, dispersion of pearlizing agents that is used for dense and particularly brilliant surfactant preparations with a silky shine. It contains fatty alcohol ether sulfate and has a typical faint odor. This product has a dry residue amount of 44-48%, an anionic surfactant (MW 382) of 19-22%, and a pH value (10%) of 3.0-4.0.can we use these result- the olive oil cause the problem for scalp because it is contain olic acid and increase dandruff for person who already has dandruff ( This is what happened to me and my father actually )- Eupelan react with olive oil and make the problem become more- the percentage of material that is used ( SLES & luramide MEA and betaine ) is good specially MEA and not cause any problem i repeat specially luramide MEA because it is built viscosity without need to increase NACL percentage.finally2% of Euperlan is it good percentage without using olive oil i mean in new formula without using olive oil is it cause any problem for scalp ?and the using of 1% polyquatarnium is perfect percentage because it is used in ( 0.25 % - 0.5% ) is it cause any problem in 1% percent?
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I believe if you remove the olive oil from the formula your problem will go away.
However … 3% Lauramide MEA. I haven’t used this myself but I suspect that as with Cocamide MEA it will move the salt curve to the left and you may find that your 1.5% salt content is too high. You should calibrate the appropriate amount of salt to use by using a series of small test samples from 0.4 to 2% NaCl and see how the viscosity changes.Polyquaternium 10 is cationic and I’m doubtful about its compatibility with an anionic system, but others will be better able to comment on that.
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