How to mix all this

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How to mix all this

Posted by nijam on December 7, 2014 at 7:10 am

hi guys. i’m not a chemist but want to ask,how to mix all this ingredients? can someone explain in a simple ways ? what temperature is needed to heat this.

WATER (AQUA)
CETEARETH-25
GLYCERIN
PEG-7 GLYCERYL COCOATE
PEG 40 HYDROGENTATED CASTOR OIL
PVP K90
PROPYLENE GLYCOL
SIMETHICONE
DMDM HYDANTOIN
FRAGRANCE (PARFUM)
PEG-8 BEESWAX
POLYSORBATE 20

this is formula for w/s pomade that i got from this forum too. thanks in advance

gnomebeard replied 6 years, 8 months ago 11 Members · 20 Replies
20 Replies

Bobzchemist

Member
December 7, 2014 at 5:03 pm

Don’t do it. This is not a place for beginners.
nijam

Member
December 7, 2014 at 11:55 pm

@Bobzchemist

i have some basic knowledge in chemist.. sorry for asking,why i cannot do this?
OldPerry

Professional Chemist / Formulator
December 8, 2014 at 9:54 pm

This is a pretty standard formula but you should have the right equipment (beakers, hot plate and mixer).

Assuming you have that you have to mix all the water based ingredients in one phase and the oil based ingredients in the other.

Heat to 75C, blend water and oil phases, mix at least 20 minutes. Cool down and when the batch is below 45C, add DMDM Hydantoin and fragrance.

But Bob is right, you should have a working knowledge of all the ingredients you are using before making the formula.

Perry, 44
nasrins

Member
December 9, 2014 at 1:19 am

lubrizol,making cosmetic and many other reputed companies introduce furmulas with procedure

https://www.lubrizol.com/PersonalCare/Formulations/SkinCareBodyLotions.html

http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Formulas_ep_5.html
nijam

Member
December 9, 2014 at 3:22 am

@Perry
thanks.clear explanation from you. thanks again.

@nasrins
thanks for the link.will discovered it soon !
shahimanshair

Member
March 22, 2015 at 4:30 pm

how to divide the ingredient into phase A and phase B ?
CosChemFan

Member
March 23, 2015 at 6:55 am

Isn’t this Bonafide Hair Pomade? If you’re a home crafter good luck finding one or two of those ingredients on that list. They aren’t available in small quantities unfortunately. If I had to guess the formulation would look like this:

Phase A

WATER

CETEARETH-25 MakingCosmetics.com

GLYCERIN (Any vender)

PEG-7 GLYCERYL COCOATE (TheHerbarie.com and MakingCosmetics.Com)

PEG 40 HYDROGENTATED CASTOR OIL (Makingcosmetics.com)

SIMETHICONE (Not sure where to get this)

PEG-8 BEESWAX (Not Sure)

Phase B

Water

PVP K90 (makingcosmetics)

PROPYLENE GLYCOL (Anywhere)

Phase C

DMDM HYDANTOIN (personalformulator)

POLYSORBATE 20 (Anywhere)

FRAGRANCE (PARFUM)

That would be my guess. ?
shahimanshair

Member
March 23, 2015 at 5:23 pm

can i use normal beeswax rather than PEG-8 Beeswax and normal castor oil ?
belassi

Member
March 23, 2015 at 6:34 pm

You could, but the product would be entirely different and may not even work.
Bobzchemist

Member
March 23, 2015 at 7:18 pm

My best guess is that using unmodified (“normal”) beeswax and castor oil would completely destroy the formula - but you “can” use anything you want to use - we’re not stopping you.
CosChemFan

Member
March 23, 2015 at 10:08 pm

@shahimanshair This is a water based product so adding the non-ethoxlyated versions of those ingredients would be kind of counterproductive and pointless. The point of using the PEG-8 Beeswax is to make the formula water soluble so it washes out a heck of a lot easier, but still give that waxy hold and finish. Normal beeswax, 1) wouldn’t give you that easy wash out and 2) more than likely would give a really ugly feel to the product (if it formed anything at all) since the other ingredients wouldn’t really combine with it. Not to mention water and waxes don’t mix very well. Regular castor oil is not even close to PEG-40 HCO. Two completely different ingredients. PEG-40 HCO is a surfactant, solubilizer,and can emulsify things if you really need it to. It doesn’t have moisturizing or conditioning properties, but it’s water soluble.

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You might want to obtain a better understanding of your ingredients and some basic chemistry to help you put this together.

Regards,

CosChemFan
belassi

Member
March 23, 2015 at 10:43 pm

The comments above are all 100% right on the button. You see, until you have experimented with each of these ingredients, you have no idea of their properties either individually or in combination.

Taking someone’s LOI and trying to duplicate the product is really not easy despite what some may say, and that’s assuming a full understanding of the properties of each ingredient.

It is in my opinion much easier to design with a bottom-up approach. Then every time you add an ingredient it is easy to ascertain the effect of it. If you try to duplicate a product, it then becomes a game of (eg) “Why isn’t this thick enough? Do I need to add more of x? More of y? Or less of z?

I once tried to duplicate a body wash/hair shampoo product. It had an LOI about 30 ingredients long. I failed completely. Then I realised I should be designing my own. How on earth would I ever learn to design NEW products if I spent my time copying other people? I set to work and designed a body wash product that worked at least as well as the one I had been trying to copy, and it had nine ingredients instead of dozens.

In few words: You need to be prepared to invest a few hundred dollars in a range of standard materials, another few hundred in basic tools, and a LOT of time, and then, IF you have the talent for it - you may become a cosmetic product designer.
shahimanshair

Member
March 24, 2015 at 12:56 pm

thank you for the information guys. i really appreciate it
braveheart

Member
March 26, 2015 at 8:14 am

I think @Belassi captured what almost ever cosmetic designer will tell you here:

“I once tried to duplicate a body wash/hair shampoo product. It had an LOI about 30 ingredients long. I failed completely. Then I realised I should be designing my own. How on earth would I ever learn to design NEW products if I spent my time copying other people? I set to work and designed a body wash product that worked at least as well as the one I had been trying to copy, and it had nine ingredients instead of dozens.”
CosChemFan

Member
March 26, 2015 at 8:50 pm

@Braveheart very very true. That’s how I started.
charmer

Member
August 8, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Croyez MOI JE ME SUIS Penché sur la réalisation de projet CE pendants 12 mois

pouqu’en fin j’ai obtenu un résultat.

La chose que je te veux Comprendre cest Pourquoi compliquéz vous cette formule

enlevez le PEG-8 , LA SIMETHICONE ET LE PVP ET CA IRA BIEN
Chemist77

Member
August 10, 2015 at 1:14 am

@charmer is it possible for you to comment in English so that everyone can be benefitted from your comments
Anonymous

Guest
September 19, 2016 at 6:33 am

What the differences between refined and unrefined beewax?
belassi

Member
September 19, 2016 at 3:11 pm

@Sherman_01 you need to start a new thread.
But basically, unrefined beeswax just lies about the lab all day in a vulgar sort of way. . .
gnomebeard

Member
July 2, 2018 at 4:04 pm

I use regular beeswax for my pomades and they come out fine. It’s all entirely up to you. Just mix away. It’s not like you will make the lab explode.

Anonymous