[Yasmin123]

I tried this formula and its a disaster. Its too powdery and has no solidity to it. i dont know where i have gone wrong. 

SCI 50g
SLSA 17g
CAPB 11g
Sodium Lactate 2g
BTMS 25 6g
Cetyl alcohol 4g
Stearic acid 3g
jojoba oil 1g
kaolin clay 1g
essential oil 1g

[Yasmin123]

How much panthenol would you suggest?

[Yasmin123]

Thanks for all your help. So is that preservative that I use ok to use in my formula? I’m waiting for the ingredients to arrive to trial the formula. I will let you know how it goes!

[Yasmin123]

I don’t know the water activity inside the bar I’m afraid. Thanks for your help

[Yasmin123]

Hi

The preservative I’m using is called Geogard ect preservative eco and it contains benzyl alcohol, salacylic acid, glycerin and sorbitol acid.

I am just comparing my formula to some professional shampoo bars I have found online. They seem to not have many ingredients especially the surfactants (the first two). I am aware I’m not sure the % of each ingredient. They also have glycerin?

This is one:

sodium cocoyl isethionate, hydrogenated vegetable oil, aqua, polyglyceryl-4 laurate, glycerin, linum usitatissimum (organic cold pressed flax seed oil), artisan beer, parfum (pomegranate and mint), tetrasodium glutamate diacetate.

This is another:

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Aqua (Water), Polyglyceryl-4 Laurate, Glycerin, Parfum (Fragrance), Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Argania Spinosa Oil, Tetrasodium Glutamate Diacetate, Hexyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Citronellol, Geraniol.

And another:

Sodium cocoyl isethionate (SCI) , Cocamidopropyl betaine(CAPB), Decyl glucoside,  Cetearyl olivate ,Sorbitan olivate , Stearic acid , Simmondsia chinensis seed oil ( Jojoba Oil) , Coco-caprylate , Mentha piperita ( Peppermint Essential Oil) , Panthenol (Vitamin Pro B5) , Hydrolyzed wheat protein , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Charcoal powder , Camellia sinensis leaf water (Hydrolized Green Tea ) , Dehydroacetic acid ,Benzyl alcohol (Eco Preservative) , Aqua , Limonene* , Citronellal*, Eugenol* 

[Yasmin123]

Because it’s going to be in and out of water all the time i would need a preservative?

[Yasmin123]

The sodium lactate is that the proper name for it? I’m struggling to find it online.

Thanks!

[Yasmin123]

I have decided to completely get rid of the Shea butter and kaolin clay!

This means at the moment my formula is:

SCI 50%

CAPB 11%

BTMS 25 6%

Cetyl alcohol 5%
Stearic acid 3%

Sodium lactate 2%

Panthenol 1%
Jojaba oil 1%

Essential oil 1%

Eco preservative 0.5%

This totals to 80.5%. Do I need another surfactant to make it up to 100% as I know the limit with SCI is 50%. Can you suggest any other surfactants that are gentle apart from SLS and SLSA?

 Also would the PH balance of this recipe be good? I know I will probably have to test to find out.

Does the liquids to solids ratio sound about right?

Thanks again for your time!

[Yasmin123]

Thankyou for your response. 

So using 1g of powdered Panthenol is ok?

Why can’t I use cetearyl alcohol with BTMS 25?

I will add stearic acid. I’m guessing this will have to be melted with the other hard ingredients?

I add the clay for colouring, is this still ok?

I have read so many formulas with a high percentage of Shea butter but I will try using less.

The sodium lactate, do I need to buy this is liquid or powder form? I have read about it and it sounds great! Will this be in place of glycerin and decyl glycoside?

I want my shampoo to be sulfate free, I have read a lot about sodium coco sulfate and I’m not keen on the sound of it. 

What if I was to put 1% decyl
glucoside in the bar would that be ok? (I love the sound of this ingredient)

How does this formula sound?

SCI 50%
(need another dry surfactant?) 20%
CAPB 9.5%

Cetearyl alcohol 4%

BTMS - 25 4%
Stearic acid 3%

Shea butter 2%
Sodium lactate 2%

Kaolin clay 1%
Decyl glycoside 1%

Jojoba oil 1%
Panthenol 1%

Essential oil 1%

Eco preservative 0.5%

Thank you so much for your time and help with this! You might laugh out loud again when you read this formula but I’m learning so I’m not sure if this is right!

[Yasmin123]

Sorry it’s not as solid as I would like it to be.