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I use hydroxypropyltrimonium guar in some of my hair masks. test results have been satisfactory so far. Does anyone know the buildup potential for this quat compared to others e.g., BTMS?

@ perry. Yes I know Polyquaterium 11 isn’t ‘natural’ but its the best ingredient i can think o to provide the needed hold in the conditioner. Do you know of a natural based replacement that can also do the job as well?

Coconut oil although excellent conditioning oil is quite dated for me. Its virtually in every product and from differentiation/ marketing perspective not catchy enough. Besides, I prefer this product to be as oil free as possible for fine hair ( I am incorporating many fatty alcohols)

I read somewhere ( I can’t remember though) about the substantivity of panthenol + Hydrolised keratin on hair. Why do you think pantheon isn’t good enough. Can you share more?

Finally, I am thinking of introducting Ferulic + Maleic Acid to this mix. 

I have not seen any studies indicating what Ferulic does for the hair. Does anyone here have more info?

As for malice acid ( I don’t want to step on Loreal and the olaplexes of this world) but I have seen no patent restricting the use of maleic acid in hair products…?

Phew. Formulating isn’t easy

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I want to speak to my formulator to reconsider his formula tomorrow afternoon with some suggestions on notable ingredients

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Thanks Belassi. My sentiments exactly. Its tough enough this product will be formulated without silicons but to exclude the known quats doesn’t seem logical to me. 

Do you know which quats/combinations of quats imparts the best conditioning to damaged hair and can be used max 3x weekly? I do like the verb conditioners as they are packed with Quats but not sure how they work

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Thanks Everyoe

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Fantastic.

Thanks Mark!

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Belassi, Perry, Microformulation,

Thanks for your responses.

Yes this is a leave in product. 

I will advise my formulator to consider Behentrimonium methosulfate  and centrimonium chloride.

Microformulation, do you know what percentage would be best? Would this need to be combined e.g with cetearyl alcohol? 

Thanks

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I visit all my manufacturers and meet them personally. I visit their manufacturing labs and their storage depots.

I check for the Tax documents with relevant authorities.

If they are outside the country, I ask the embassy in my domain.

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Oh Thanks a lot. I have already my contract formulator the go ahead to assist me with the formulation as they promised they can make afro hair care. Seems I should have consulted an independent consultant before making the move.

So Microforlumation, can you please tell me more why you do not like honey in hair products? And thanks also for the heads up. I will surely give Ms Bazemore a ring.

MsNastya thanks for the feedback. Do you mind sharing with us which hair oil treatments you use? The suggested also has  coconut oil, crambe seed oil but I am afraid this is not sufficient to provide the needed conditioning to Afro hair. They also suggested glycerine.

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Thanks for the feedback Matt. I just have to see if the combination at least gives desired protection without having to incorporate the usuals aka silicon, PVP or the PQ55/37 etc

Yes it doesnt atomize. Im thinking to change the consistency. Light cream/gel