Hello, and thank you for your answers !
I may have expressed myself poorly, I don’t have trouble finding/sourcing cationic materials, and I intend to integrate them into my formulation at some point.
What I consider the challenge of a solid conditioner is to have a large number of optimized properties (appearence, matter “give off”, hardness, wet/dry combing properties, skin/hair feel during use, …; I identified more than 20 of them). At the moment I can make a conditioner with every box checked with the exception of the matter give-off, that’s why I am asking for your help on that point.
The current challenge is to exactly create a “lotion bar” with no effect on hair, neither removing or depositing matter on the hair. Then the second part of the formulation process would be to integrate the cationic ingredient, that could be a quat, btms, or anything cationic, and make tests for the conditioning properties. This two-steps process would give me the guarantee to solve my main issue, not having to rub the conditioner for minutes while showering.
Unless I misunderstood you and the ingredient that gives off matter in most solid conditioner is actually the cationic amulsifier ? If so, I haven’t had any success by using btms 50/Aminosensyl HC/CosmeGreen ES1822+ so far, for the exact same reason as above.
Thank you for your future advices !
Thanks, I’ll try to use something else than my good old bottom-up approach hahaha. It’s a shame though, that you can’t isolate properties of a formulation and tune them independantly from each other (but of course it would make no sense in an emulsion for example, or for a tomato soup).Even though it’s uncommon, isn’t there a possibility to create such a “neutral” ineffective conditioner and make it a proper conditioner from it by adding a small amount (<1%) of something like Polyquaternium-7 ? I’ve learned my lesson, I’m just trying to figure out why this wouldn’t work, or why this approach is flawed