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biofm said:

Let me know if you want to recreate this formula. We can work together and see how far we go with it.

Well, hello again!  It’s been so long since I posted but due to Covid, the lockdowns - not to mention the dreadful mess the UK is in - my desire to recreate that original Temporary Wrinkle Remover Lotion was put on the back burner.  However, I’m now eager to start my research again, so if you’re still happy after all this time @biofm to help me with my research and practice I’d be delighted!  I know nothing about chemistry, as I said previously, but I’m willing to learn (and pay for experiments) to try and recreate that original lotion.

You may think I’m obsessed with it, but I can honestly say that it was simply magical. After applying a tiny drop on my temple and letting it dry it disappeared, as in no-one could tell there was anything at all on my skin.  I dabbed it on some older relatives who had some fairly deep lines and they too vanished.  Best part was, you couldn’t see there was anything on the skin; no white residue like the dupes today; and no bunching of skin either.  Whatever ingredients that chemist used can’t have been costly as a bottle sold for just £5, which was cheap even back then. Of course, I only used it on my temple area and a small part of my upper cheek, but when I smiled after it dried my skin behaved normally.  The only one thing I was careful of, although it dried invisible, it did feel rough like sandpaper if I stroked my temple, so I made sure boyfriends didn’t touch that part of my face when we were being romantic.

 I only want to make a batch for myself, but as I used it for five years with no ill-effects whatsoever it must have been safe. In fact, I even noticed that after washing it off (and it did last until you washed it off) it seemed to still keep the skin quite taut.  I’m positive that if that formula could be recreated someone would make an absolute fortune - that’s how incredible it was.

So if you could still help me, I would be so very pleased!

Thank you for your offer, and I just hope you’re still around and still interested.

regards,

J.

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Oh, thank you so much for your detailed response - you’re teaching me so much - thank you!

I don’t understand science at all, unfortunately, so apologies if I ask dense questions. This sounds stupid, but I wonder how the man who made the original formula managed to keep the batches consistent? It was in production for about 10 years (possibly longer as I only discovered it in the ‘80s), and then suddenly ceased production. I understand the man died, so that’s possibly why…

He must have been a chemist, I am sure, and I wonder if he discovered it by chance. It was only cheap to buy, so I can’t imagine he tried so many formulas for something that he was going to sell for almost pennies.

You’ve explained things so well to me, but I’m unsure on what sodium silicate I need to buy? Obviously, I want the one that has the rough “sandy” feel when it dries. You’ve explained ratios etc, but would you be kind enough to recommend a particular one I need, as I’m slightly confused as to which sodium silicate/waterglass I need to buy?

Thank you so much - you are so helpful ????

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Hi @@chemicalmatt

Apologies for my late response but I’ve only just seen your post!  I had no notification that there were more replies.

Thank you for your help and advice; I do appreciate that so much.

 I am 99% certain that the original formula was not made by Jeaveennessence, as I seem to recall buying that at some time after the original was no longer produced, and it just wasn’t the same, unfortunately. Similar, but nowhere near as strong, as in “tightening” and feeling rough and “glassy” once dried. It sounds awful, but it was invisible to the eye and was a temporary fix. I only used it on special occasions, but did so for a few years and never had any problems at all.

 I can’t understand why other companies try to reproduce that same formula, but can’t seem to get it exact? Why is it so difficult? I’m not a chemist, so have no idea, obviously, but I just wish I could make a batch up for myself.  What is the ingredient that dries and gives the tight pulling effect and that feels gritty? It’s that which seems to be missing from all the dupes.

 I hope you can help me ????

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EVchem said:

Not surprised at all when you mentioned the ingredients- this formula has been around forever. we have our own version as I suspect many companies do.

The tightening effect is coming from Sodium Silicate aka Liquid glass. When it dries it tightens and also creates the rough feeling and you may see some residue if it dries out too much. As great as the instant results are, sodium silicate has an extremely high pH so please be careful especially since it goes in the eye area. If you do want to make it yourself you have to be aware of that and you’ll want to check wherever you buy it from provides a good CoA (Certificate of Analysis)  as sodium silicates are used for lots on industrial purposes and those grades may have more/harsher impurities. 

Feel free to message me and I can give you a formula close to our own, I don’t know it if will have the exact properties you like but all these instant wrinkle formulas are just variations of another.

Hi Evchem, thank you for your reply — I’ve only just seen it!
I have tried probably every other similar lotion on the market but not one comes close to the original.

The original differed in that it went much, much tighter than all the others I’ve tried since then, and also had a feel of sandpaper which the new ones don’t. Going by what you say it sounds like it’s the water glass (sodium silicate) giving it that sandpaper feel: would that be correct?

Yes, I realize the lotion isn’t a skin treatment, nor probably good for your skin, but it certainly did no harm to mine whatsoever.

And would that mean the original formula used more sodium silicate or a higher strength?

I shall message you too…thank you so much !

 Jx

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alchemist01 said:

I think the sodium silicate is just a film former. These act to smooth out the skin by filling in crevices/valleys in the outer layers of your skin to leave a cohesive covering.
According to this patent (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/74/1e/51/42b2d994d23ff9/WO2013109850A2.pdf) sodium silicate is also a “contractile adhesive,” and pulls on the skin as it dries, which may be why you saw such potent results.

As for the sandpaper feeling, I imagine either the water in the product evaporated or was absorbed, leaving behind the previously colloidal silicates. Unfortunately it kind of sounds like you were rubbing tiny glass shards around on your skin.

These are pretty strange ingredients to me and certainly sound like something only Florida could make. This (https://s3.amazonaws.com/ariixdocs/productpdfs/jouve/Jouve_Tightener_Ingredients_List_V05.pdf) is the closest I could find to your description.

Thank you for your message — I’ve only just seen it!

That’s very helpful, thank you.

so it sounds like the sodium silicate is what goes glass-like once dried? I know it sounds bad, but I used it, albeit for just a few years, and whilst I know it wasn’t a skin conditioner in any way, the effect was fantastic and it never did any harm to my skin, either short-term or long-term.

 I have looked at the link you sent me of the Jouve product, but I tried that one before and although it was OK, it definitely wasn’t anywhere near close to the original. Thank you for looking for me, though — I really appreciate that

I just wish there was a way to replicate that original…

If you do have any ideas I would be so, so grateful!

Jx

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Thank you for your reply, David.

How sad that the gentleman who possibly made the original died: I wonder if anyone knows what his formula was?

I’m not a chemist, obviously, but as I’ve tried all the other similar lotions, including the copycat one I posted above, and not one of them were as effective as the original I can only think it was the amount he used of the sodium silicate? Am I right, do you think? As the sodium silicate is water glass it must be that which gave the original the gritty feel, yes?

Will you be creating any more, or do you have any tips on how I could create some myself? Are there different types/strengths of sodium silicate and magnesium aluminium silicate?

Thank you so much for your help

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Hi David,

I’ve attached two photos of the copycat formula.

The original bottle wasn’t transparent — it was solid white plastic — but everything else was identical: the shape, wording, ingredients, and that it was made in Florida. I don’t remember the name of the company, unfortunately.

Although this formula is similar, it’s nowhere near as effective as the original. And it isn’t a “bad one” as I ordered 20 bottles when I thought I’d rediscovered it: none of the formulas in all those 20 bottles were like the original. I bought these ones about 10 years ago after searching on Google, and I believe they stopped producing them soon after.

I did email the company prior to ordering them and got a reply back to say they were trying to recreate that original formula — but it just wasn’t the same.

I saw a comment one customer made in a review who said how the original formula was so fantastic it could’ve removed deep creases from crumbled linen sheets — and she was right. What was also so good about it, besides it totally eradicating acne scars, lines & wrinkles, was that it also went very, very tight creating a “lift”. And what was so amazing was that after it dried and you talked, smiled, laughed etc — there was no creasing/bunching/folding where you’d applied the lotion. When it dried it was invisible to the eye.

Neither did it leave lots of white residue on the edges like many copycat ones do: if you applied it by just dabbing it on in tiny quantities it left no white residue at all, but if you rushed and applied too much and there was a tiny amount of white residue just outside the outer edge you’d simply wipe it away with a wet cotton bud and it was gone. No-one could ever tell you were wearing anything at all on your skin, even when they came right close-up to your face to look: I often showed friends how fabulous it was and they couldn’t even see I had anything on my skin, in fact, some didn’t believe I had anything on my skin at all — they just thought my skin looked completely normal and smooth.

Another great thing about it, though I only tried this a few times, was that you could mix the lotion with foundation (any type at all), and it still had that same amazing effect of 100% hiding wrinkles, lines and acne scars. It would have hidden any scar, I’d imagine, except maybe raised keloid ones, but I suspect it would have even helped smooth and flatten those out too due to its extreme tightening effect.

Sorry to go on so much, but it was such a fantastic product and I was genuinely heartbroken when they stopped making it. 

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Hi David,

I’ve just seen your message.

I will take a photo of the bottle I have which, although isn’t the original white plastic bottle, it’s identical in shape/size, and lists the exact same ingredients that the original did. However, the lotion did not have the same effect, so I can only imagine that the company who created this copycat one mixed the formula up differently.

I shall take a photo as soon as I get home on a few hours and post it up for you.

 Thank you so, so much for your help!  

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Haha, no not at all ????

In fact, I have no wrinkles or lines even now — in that respect I’m very lucky — but that’s probably genetic as all my family look years younger that their age and do have good skin.

Sadly, I suffered from teenage spots/acne, and it left horrid indentations in my temple area which I was, and still am, so self-conscious of.  

I have tried every lotion on the market, including cosmetic procedures, and not one of them hides that scarring like that original lotion did.  The No Lines Lotion you refer to was kind of similar, but much thinner, more fluid, and crucially didn’t contain that brilliant tightening substance, nor did it feel “gritty” when it dried.

Back in the 1980s when I first stumbled upon it, I told people about — women much older than me who did have wrinkles. One woman had severely deep wrinkles and lines, and when she bought some she almost cried as it completely 100% made them disappear, albeit temporarily until it was washed off.

When I bought copycat formulas afterwards, not one had the same effect ????

I’m sure someone, somewhere, must know what that magic formula/ingredient was.

As you’ve seen, I’ve listed the ingredients that was on the original, so I suspect it’s the actual formula that needs to be replicated.

I did enquire years ago when emailing one company who’d made a copycat formula, and they told me they’d been trying to replicate the original but they too didn’t have the exact same formula.

It’s such a shame, as it was truly miraculous.

All I know is that it felt gritty like sandpaper/broken glass once dried, but it was invisible to the eye and your skin just looked perfectly smooth.

Do you have any idea what ingredient caused that gritty touch?  Could it be the Magnesium Aluminium Silicate — which I think may be Water Glass having researched on Google?

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Hi David,

Thank you for your message.

No, unfortunately that wasn’t the same one. I actually bought that when the original one was no longer available, and although it was OK, I’m afraid it wasn’t anything close to the original.

The original came in a white plastic bottle, and I do have an almost identical bottle when someone tried to reproduce the original except the bottle was clear.  I have it somewhere and will take a photo…it looked identical, except the original was white plastic, and although it was called the same and listed the same ingredients it wasn’t the same formula.

Like I said, the original formula was incredible. I used it for about five years and it totally 100% removed every single indentation scar, and people I knew who had wrinkles absolutely raved about it. It was like sweeping a magic wand over you face, and nothing since competes.

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Hi Everyone 

I know this is an old discussion, so shall also make a new thread after posting my question here for all you chemists out there.

A quick background:  Way back in 1984 I stumbled upon a cheap lotion in a drugstore in London, UK called Temporary Wrinkle Remover.  I was only 16 at the time, but had some acne indentation scarring on my temple that made me dreadfully self-conscious. When I saw this lotion I figured if it worked for wrinkles (albeit temporarily) it may fill in the scarring I was so unhappy about.

It was like a miracle. It completely filled the scarring in and my temple looked smooth and normal again. I was over the moon!

I used it when going out socialising, and can honestly say it changed my life — that’s how self-conscious I was of that pitted scarring. To my utter dismay they stopped producing it just a few years later! They did bring out copycat formulas (still do), and Ive tried them all. Every single one. But not one is a patch on the original.

I’ve even bought copycat lotions that list the same ingredients but the formula is not the same, and they don’t have the same magical effect.

I realise they’re not skin treatments or medication; they’re simply concealers. But for a woman, or man, the impact on one’s self-esteem is incredible just to look like you have “normal” skin.

The original formula contained: D.I.  Water,  Sodium Silicate,  Magnesium Aluminium Silicate, Iron Oxides

I believe it was manufactured for a company in Florida, possibly in China — I no longer have an original bottle. I do remember it came in a small 1 fl.oz White Plastic Bottle and afternoon shaking the bottle, the clear, slightly pink lotion poured slowly out and was like a paste.

Unlike the copycat lotions when the original dried after dabbing a tiny amount onto your skin, you would feel a very strong tightening/lifting effect. Much stronger than the copycat ones of today. But besides that, once it had dried, if you stroked your fingertip across the dried lotion on (in my case on my temple), although it looked smooth it actually felt rough — as though you were stroking sandpaper. That sounds unpleasant, but the effect was simply magical — and it lasted all day too! It didn’t wear off until you washed your face at night.

My question is: what would have given the lotion that very strong tightening effect, and what ingredient would have made it feel like rough sandpaper once it had dried?

I don’t have the exact formula, obviously, nor do I know what strength/type Sodium Silicate, Magnesium Sodium Silicate was used as I’m not a Chemist.

Please, if anyone could help me or suggest what I’d need to make some up for myself that would create that same original formula I would be forever grateful and obviously pay for your time or/and advice

Many, many thanks in advance!

JX