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@Abdullah @Paprik @Fedaro @ozgirl @chemicalmatt @Cafe33 @Perry44

Actually in laboratory best resultats was given by pq 39 , pq 7, lauryl glucoside and guar cationic . Just should work on the adequat level .
Any add or comment?

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Soo logic , just i see even in forum some complain about the needed process to dissolve it.

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@Abdullah @chemicalmatt @Paprik @ngarayeva001 @PhilGeis @Graillotion @Cafe33 @ozgirl @Perry44 @Doreen @em88 @Pharma @Bill_Toge

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Actually a lot of levels seem not fine(too high):

As said level of essentiel oil also panthenol, EDTA and maybe shea butter .

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Ph changes the viscosity so i guess it changes the slat curve, wich is the highest? May in slight acidic range

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@Aniela @Cafe33 @OldPerry any help?

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Thanks a lot for sharing and I can help you about stability problem just as a quick help 3% of BTMS 25 is just 0.75% emulsfier so alone in this level is it logic to haven’t stable emulsion.

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BTMS is almost for hair care not skin care. If it is fine for skin which level suggest for BTMS and cetearyl alcohol?

And which type of BTMS are you using 25%?

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Conditioning (we fixed as feeling sliky and soft) so it is “mesured” by sensory evaluation for skin and hair by many users and all said the same thing . I know that Lauryl glucoside supposed not conditionner however in my formulation it makes superior conditioning effect compairing to peg-7 glyceryl cocoate used in same level .

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why removing GMS ?

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The ph is soo important in formulation, you must know your adequat ph and compatibility with your ingredients.

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thanks a lot for your input.

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Thanks a lot for that i Will make a try May i Will increase cetearyl alcohol.

Just i aim to make something near to Sabowax ae it needs 5% with some cetearyl alcohol to get thick and lovely texture without need of other texture agent .

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Actually it is quite thick but soaping effect is solo bad just compairing with the same level of sabowax ae it is thin

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I tried untill 4% cetearteh 20 with 6% Cetearyl alcohol and didn’t get desired viscosity plus at that level of cetearteh 20 soaping effect is huge

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What are the things that thicken with nice feel ?

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Emulsifiers can be also thickner so my question about that . If i have acess to neowax 165 or other i Will not work and ask to replace them. Unfortuently we are surfering from the absence of auto Emulsifiers for a long time now this push to do that…

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Not really pricise value just thick cream and the level of emulsifiers Will be better lower then seven with 5% and can be more of cetearyl alcohol .

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You are welcome

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@PhilGeis thanks for the interesting add, first time I hear about that.

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My I will check the pH of mine and tell you but I guess even whitening tooth paste are basic”i know that acidic pH is more efficient for limestone… “

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Same constation about ph of tooth paste almost are basic however we can find a lot of them contain sodium benzoate so how use it is preservative for toothpaste ph range?

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@Graillotion need your expertise for solving that please.

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I haven’t problem in viscosity my formulation is pretty good just the product has low density between 0.91 and 0.93 knowing that it can reach 1

So I want what can I improve in process or formulation to reach density equal 1 just when i’am finishing from production not after days

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@Aniela whatever thanks a lot for your comment.