[Fekher]

Delete cetearyl alcohol and work more for ratio

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You can’t evaluate product sush shampoo with one ,two or even three washes only .I guess for more washes all we complain about it .

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why using three vegtables oils?

1) For marketing reason no need to reach such level they may effect( reduce) the foam
2) To have benefits , this level in rinse off will not add anything.

[Fekher]

try carbomers it have better sensory feeling.

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@PhilGeis @OldPerry @Cafe33 @ketchito @Paprik any guess or comment please?

[Fekher]

BASF may gives always higher spf according to what I saw.

[Fekher]

If Evry thing is same : formulation, supplier and results are different then it can be only one thing difference of process.

[Fekher]

Verifying the solubility of EHT and tunisorb S it will be a problem in dissolving them.

[Fekher]

I should collect maximum of details, especially the opinions of experts then move to trying

[Fekher]

any feedback? @Graillotion @Aniela @MaidenOrangeBlossom

[Fekher]

Even your SPF will be low as predicted will not may reach 30.

[Fekher]

Any help? @Perry44 @ketchito @Cafe33 @chemicalmatt @Abdullah @ozgirl @Graillotion @ngarayeva001 @Aniela @Paprik @This.Formulating.Life

[Fekher]

Formulation seems quite good just may:
1*Three uv filters will not protect as well if they are more ( i know that yours are broad spectrum however all sun screen seen contain more then three filters)
2* Oil phase is more then 40 % so it is really not easy to have stable emulsion .
3* Even with Sepinov EMT 10-0.8 Sepimax , Zen- 0.1 the level of Olivem 1000-1 ,Peg 100 stearate & Glyceryl stearate- 2 seems low .

[Fekher]

As start point not bad and even lower.

[Fekher]

thanks for answer @ketchito
1)MPG: is monopropylene glycol
2)for the ingredients are not from same batch always they changes because the huge consumption in production.
3) i use sensicare c1060 in many creams and it didn’t cause yellowish.
4) how much tetra EDAT can i use to have better protection without effecting the texture of cream?
5) Shea butter is same batch and i have formulations without higher level of shea butter without yellowish.

[Fekher]

@PhilGeis whatever thanks for your reply.

[Fekher]

thanks @ozgirl for you reply the differences are :
1)As you said Sweet almond oil in first not in second
2) Emulsifiant system is 5% sabowax AE + 0.5% GMS SE + 4% Cetearyl alcohol in first while 4 % sabowax AE + 0.5% GMS SE +0.5% ceteareth 20+ 3% Cetearyl alcohol in second.
3) IPM is in second not in first

4) 1% MPG in first while 1.5% MPG in second

My doubt was in sweet almond oil however i have other formulations with 3% and more sweet almond oil without any yellowish .

My doubt that maybe the perfume starts to change in function of time or any other ingredient , the summmer is too hot so it cause that…

[Fekher]

Thanks for sharing I want from experts their prediction about SPF because I trust their expertise (I already make it in spf simulator but I want confirmation from experts)

[Fekher]

Thanks a lot, i’am always searching just to find better, faster reference.

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I meant lipo polymer because hydro ones don’t help a lot in w/o.

[Fekher]

Thanks alot @Aniela very informative just can you explain more cascading emollients or any references you recommend 😊

[Fekher]

1)about glyceryl Laurate I understood your point.

2)Sabowax AE and noewax 165 have not same ingredients so haven’t same I CI

3)“About the used level of emulsifier you have right however it is not just to stabilise oil but to reach a desired viscosity and texture .” it is answer about that (again, in your example, as seems too much emulsifier for 10% oil)

Did I answer for all?

[Fekher]

may @ketchito @Abdullah @Graillotion can help

[Fekher]

i guess you should work on the level of use before then changing your emulsifiers .As i know yours can be fine . Make some researchement for free sunscreen formulations and you will find many emulsifiers systems .

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i don’t think that GMS SE alone can give a stable emulsion .