[Fekher]

You question can be reduced to which is stronger detergent SLS or SLES by searching I understood that is SLS.

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@Abdullah @Paprik @Fedaro @ozgirl @chemicalmatt @Cafe33 @Perry44

Actually in laboratory best resultats was given by pq 39 , pq 7, lauryl glucoside and guar cationic . Just should work on the adequat level .
Any add or comment?

• This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by  Fekher.

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Soo logic , just i see even in forum some complain about the needed process to dissolve it.

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thanks

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thanks

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There is no evidence relation that the more foam the more detergent power.

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Thanks a lot so what are using just solid perfumes? Then can you give example for this floral waxes?

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Any share or link?

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too slow 100 rpm for emulsion it should be more .

• This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by  Fekher.

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Actually in 300 kg batch , have you suggestion about time ? i guess even in laboratory it needs more than 2 min then (high , slow) speed can you translate to rpm/min ?

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for 3) supposed to calculate required hlb , you will not calculate the required hlb of cetearyl alcohol?

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4- when , how much time and which speed ( for high and low speed) ?

5- Yes Phenoxyethanol reduce viscosity and maybe sensicare c 1060 reduce more this is the first point and second the drop of viscosity is more important using neowax 165 then other emulsifiers .

• This reply was modified 2 weeks ago by  Fekher.

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Thanks a lot, so the good ratio (BTMS/Cetearyl alcohol) is ( 1:3)

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@Abdullah can you explain more please ?

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Thanks a lot for sharing and I can help you about stability problem just as a quick help 3% of BTMS 25 is just 0.75% emulsfier so alone in this level is it logic to haven’t stable emulsion.

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BTMS is almost for hair care not skin care. If it is fine for skin which level suggest for BTMS and cetearyl alcohol?

And which type of BTMS are you using 25%?

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Conditioning (we fixed as feeling sliky and soft) so it is “mesured” by sensory evaluation for skin and hair by many users and all said the same thing . I know that Lauryl glucoside supposed not conditionner however in my formulation it makes superior conditioning effect compairing to peg-7 glyceryl cocoate used in same level .

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why removing GMS ?

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The ph is soo important in formulation, you must know your adequat ph and compatibility with your ingredients.

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thanks a lot for your input.

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Thanks a lot for that i Will make a try May i Will increase cetearyl alcohol.

Just i aim to make something near to Sabowax ae it needs 5% with some cetearyl alcohol to get thick and lovely texture without need of other texture agent .

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Actually it is quite thick but soaping effect is solo bad just compairing with the same level of sabowax ae it is thin

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I tried untill 4% cetearteh 20 with 6% Cetearyl alcohol and didn’t get desired viscosity plus at that level of cetearteh 20 soaping effect is huge

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What are the things that thicken with nice feel ?

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Emulsifiers can be also thickner so my question about that . If i have acess to neowax 165 or other i Will not work and ask to replace them. Unfortuently we are surfering from the absence of auto Emulsifiers for a long time now this push to do that…