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Hi, I’m not seeing how my question ‘intimated’ that Majestic Pure is a ‘major supplier’. It only says they are not interested in selling in bulk. As you have found, Majestic Pure is a retailer that does a lot of business on Amazon.
Interesting to see the reports of test results indicating they are selling ‘fake’ essential oils. I obtained a MSDS from them for the peppermint oil, which gives me more confidence that it does not contain synthetics, but who knows.
My feeling is that they are selling an inexpensive peppermint eo, perhaps even a dementholized eo which happens to be pleasing to most people because the grassy elements have been taken out. We’ve tested non-redistilled organic peppermint essential oils and have found them overwhelmingly grassy (headache-inducing). I don’t know what people would use those oils for. Perhaps in the case of peppermint, the lower priced/more highly refined oils are more suitable for most applications.
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Interesting, thanks for the comments.
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@Belassi thanks for the input . . . I have been unsuccessful so far.
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Yes, I should have been more specific
I like the lustre and strengthening properties and would like to provide these in the bar.
When I add it to the oil phase (mostly BTMS, cetyl alcohol) it disperses so that no grains are visible. I’m thinking the water will solubilize the panthenol as it is applied to wet hair.
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This research/review seems to be where the view that behentrimonium chloride is highly irritating to the eyes stems from:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5j6vz7v9y0en4e3/Screenshot%202016-08-30%2011.33.27.png?dl=0
Unfortunately in this review, there isn’t much research on behentrimonium methosulfate. I’ve only been able to find unsubstantiated claims that it is very mild and safe, for example:
http://www.getsimplifica.com/behentrimonium-methosulfate/
https://www.truthinaging.com/ingredients/behentrimonium-methosulfate
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Interesting responses!
@Microformulation I should have noted that the research I was referring to regarding behentrimonium chloride/methosulfate is that found in a review of the research sponsored by the Cosmetic Ingredient Review:
http://online.personalcarecouncil.org/ctfa-static/online/lists/cir-pdfs/pr572.pdf
Thanks for the insight into the value of meeting the basic requirements vs the premium standards. I agree that as a consumer I don’t notice the difference and that getting in stores by meeting basic requirements is enough.
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For others deciding between these when formulating:
EU restricts behentrimonium chloride but not the methosulfate version:
http://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=32112
http://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=74588
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32009R1223
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Thanks for the responses. @ozgirl yes, I read the Whole Foods posts, was hoping someone might have some insight into potential reasons they might prefer one of these common conditioner ingredients over the other - some knowledge of their own regarding these two chemicals.
The research on behentrimonium chloride points to eye irritation, and tech support from ingredientstodiefor.com says that ‘That material has a really high eye irritation level’ (they carry BTMS-25). However, it could be that benehentrimonium methosulfate may be irritating as well, but there just haven’t been studies done on it.
I’m not concerned at the moment with conforming to the Whole Foods standards, I’m mostly concerned about creating the safest product.
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The list of Whole Foods Premium Body Care Standards unacceptable ingredients:
https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/premium-body-care-unacceptable-ingredients