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  • shampoo not thickening

    Posted by ssdc on February 23, 2018 at 6:38 am

    water- (to 100%) Polyquaternium-10 (0.2%), EDTA (0.1%), SLS (19%), Decyl glucoside (2%), Sodium lauryl sarcosinate (2%), Tween 20 (1%), Acrylate Beheneth-25 Methacrylate copolymer (0.8%), dimethicone (0.5%), Betaine (6%), DMDMH (0.35), citric acid (0.2%), sodium chloride (0.2%), perfume

    Above is my shampoo formulation.

    After adding salt the shampoo don’t seems to be thicken. Any idea why?

    Do PEG-150 disterate helps a lot in thickening? 

    preservando replied 6 years, 8 months ago 9 Members · 13 Replies
  • 13 Replies
  • em88

    Member
    February 23, 2018 at 7:12 am

    Have you tried adding more salt? 0.5%, 0.75%, 1% 
    PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate or PEG-150 disterate will increase the viscosity. Try adding 1-2% of PEG 150 distearate.
    What is the viscosity you are looking for?

  • ssdc

    Member
    February 23, 2018 at 7:18 am

    I did add more salt but the viscosity remains the same. Currently my shampoo is like water, I would like something more viscous than water

  • zaidjeber

    Member
    February 23, 2018 at 7:25 am

    Try to change SLS with SLES and observe the viscosity. 

  • ssdc

    Member
    February 25, 2018 at 5:41 am

    I found that SLS causes my copolymer to be runny,not thicken

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    February 25, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    remove the copolymer and replace with 5—8% Carbopol SF-1  

    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1418746.pdf?bs=2425&b=643604&st=1&sl=57408758&crit=a2V5d29yZDpbY2FyYm9tZXIgc2YgMV0%3d&k=carbomer|sf|1&r=na&ind=personalcare

  • Chemist77

    Member
    February 25, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Did you try to increase the copolymer as certain ones are associative, 0.8% is just too low to observe any thickening. Or you can follow any of the above suggestions.

  • ssdc

    Member
    February 26, 2018 at 1:15 am

    when I add the copolymer to anionic surfactant I get white precipitate. anybody encounter this as well.

  • DAS

    Member
    February 26, 2018 at 5:30 am

    Why would you add it to the surfactant?. Add it at the end. 

  • DavidW

    Member
    February 27, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Many times pH is the first thing to try before adjusting viscosity with other things

  • Chemist77

    Member
    February 27, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    I think @DavidW has made a very relevant point, rest everything becomes the secondary exercise. 

  • ssdc

    Member
    February 28, 2018 at 1:39 am

    the pH I get at the end is the 8

  • belassi

    Member
    February 28, 2018 at 2:08 am

    a pH of 8 is too high for a shampoo. Not more than 7. Preferably 5.5 to 6

  • preservando

    Member
    March 6, 2018 at 2:54 am

    Please let me know how to increase the viscosity of car shampoo particularly how to use the xanthan gum, that is the weight ratio of xanthan gum to oil in adding to the mixture.   Thanks.

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